At long last the police are cracking down on hard marches

I wasn’t pointing out he’s a Zionist to defend him 😂

I am concerned that the definition of terrorism is being watered down from injuring/killing people to incite terror for political aims into property vandalism for political aims where no one suffers a single scratch and were safely miles away tucked up in bed.

Yes, it is criminal damage, but we have laws to prosecute people for vandalism. Using the Terror Act here along with 14yr prison terms is an expansion of de facto policing protest that should concern all of us. It reeks of lawfare against free speech.

No, I'd simply like some sort of evidence that suggests proscribing PA a terror group is in any way a proportionate response to any of the conduct attributed to PA so far, rather than a simple abuse of legislation in order to attempt to shut down a group the government considers embarrassing.

This is JSO all over again. Government can't stop their perfectly legitimate protest any other way, so it's taken the "terror" sledgehammer to a problem behaviour that is already covered by existing laws.

The only difference here is the Tories pushed it through, but this time it's a Labour government abusing their power.

Our justice system is supposed to be based on prosecuting people and proscribing organisations for the crimes they have actually committed not crimes they might hypothetically commit when there is no evidence they are conspiring to do that sort of crime.

Otherwise it’s a bit Minority Report-esque and we need a PreCrime Police Unit.

Again, I'd like some solid examples of terrorist atrocity perpetrated by "terror group" Palestine Action.

Would you like to wait until we have them, by which time the tragedy is irreversible? I'd say attacking military bases and smashing up Jewish shops is enough to show that their intentions are not benign.

I thought the vandalism of a Jewish shop in Stamford Hill rather chilling. Palestine Action claimed responsibility for that attack.

Everyone’s fixated on the ‘expensive planes’ while ignoring the broader picture.

I won't "get over" it.
My opinion. You have yours
I think he's unspeakably vile.

Again, I'd like some solid examples of terrorist atrocity perpetrated by "terror group" Palestine Action.

Would you like to wait until we have them, by which time the tragedy is irreversible? I'd say attacking military bases and smashing up Jewish shops is enough to show that their intentions are not benign.

Palestine Action are a proscribed terrorist group in the UK like Hamas.

What British value states that throwing paint on expensive planes is terrorism just “like” massacring 1,200 people in one day, including raping dozens of women to death and shooting children?

(Palestine action may be banned, but its offensive to say they are like Hamas)

@Dangermoo

They are now, thankfully, classed as terrorists - that speaks for itself

It speaks for nothing other than the fact we have a hilariously thin-skinned government, entirely willing to abuse it's majority in an attempt to quash perfectly legal protest rather than face up to the entirely valid criticism of it helping to facilitate a genocide.

Again, I'd like some solid examples of terrorist atrocity perpetrated by "terror group" Palestine Action.

Sometimes what looks like a warm coat to protect you from the elements is actually a straitjacket.

Get over calling Tommy Robinson a fascist. He’s a Zionist

TBF the law was changed to name them a terrorist organisation, would you agree with Starmer if he changed the law to say the IDF is one too?

No you wouldn't.

You put “unique to the UK” in quotation marks as if I said that but I didn’t.

I did factually state that they are the official British values.

This is a process of law. It's not "Starmer" , it's gone through parliament. This is not going to stop peaceful protests by moderate groups. It's to stop this particular organisation which has crossed the boundaries of the Anti Terrorism Act 2000.
Some people support Tommy Robinson and other fascist groups. That's their choice, but it's right that their actions are curtailed to remain within the law and not romanticised.

Palestine Action are a proscribed terrorist group in the UK like Hamas.

What British value states that throwing paint on expensive planes is terrorism just “like” massacring 1,200 people in one day, including raping dozens of women to death and shooting children?

(Palestine action may be banned, but its offensive to say they are like Hamas)

As I said, they are values which are held by a sizable proportion of the planet's population irrespective of their national identity, so even labelling them "British" is nonsense and yet another example of exceptionalism

It’s because people like you misused the laughing emoji which was supposed to be used for humour

I would like it back for the purpose of humour, in this particular instance, laughing at the assertion these values are "unique to the UK" when they are also part and parcel of life in countless other free, open, and democratic States. This claim deserves nothing but being pointed and laughed at.

Not at all.

Maybe you are unaware that Palestine Action are a proscribed terrorist group in the UK like Hamas.

Would you say it’s ok for people to march in London or another UK city in support of Hamas?

I think people think Palestine Action were proscribed after one act at Brize Norton whereas they have been active in this space for some time.

Criminal damage is one thing but when all the acts of criminal damage are racially motivated, it’s another thing entirely.

I wonder if those protesters on the streets are aware of the full backstory. Useful idiots indeed.

The focus should be stopping the war crimes being committed by Netanyahu. His disgusting his actions on the Palestinians is horrific not only for the people of Gaza but by the long term impact on Jewish people around the world as Zionism and Judaism won't be separated by many.

They are the official British values whether you agree with them or not.

It’s because people like you misused the laughing emoji which was supposed to be used for humour not trolling that MN unfortunately had to remove it.

@Beachtastic

PA clearly attacked this business in the belief it provides premises to an Israeli defence contractor. Mistakenly so, as it appears, however, this is not evidence of PA indiscriminately attacking Jewish businesses simply because they are owned by Jews.

I absolutely concede that any instance of businesses owned by Jewish people being damaged and destroyed will obviously constitute a concern, and in any case of criminal damage, if there is grounds for prosecution then that absolutely should be seen through, however, your post which I quoted appears to imply that PA plan antisemitic hate-crimes for no other reason than they wish to persecute Jews, and it's this inference that I take exception to.

And for the record, no, I do not believe hate-crimes have any place in any decent society, but I will also not hesitate to challenge people who assert what motivates others can only be hate when we're talking about a group with a clearly stated goals, the bulk of their actions fit within that remit, and do not constitute acts of hate.