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Sexual violence as a weapon of war during October 7 massacre

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Twiglets1 · 08/07/2025 10:38

A new report providing the first legal framework for prosecuting Hamas terrorists for the use of sexual violence as a weapon of war during the October 7, 2023, massacre is being presented by the Dinah Project to First Lady Michal Herzog at the President’s Residence in Jerusalem.

The report confirms that Hamas systematically used rape and sexual violence as tools of war during the October 7 massacres and is the first to present a legal roadmap for identifying and pursuing justice for the use of sexual violence as a weapon of warfare, which constitutes a crime against humanity.

The gathering of primarily women notably includes former hostage Ilana Gritzewsky, who has publicly spoken about being sexually assaulted by her captors in Gaza.

“This report tells the truth as it is — shocking, painful, but necessary. On behalf of all those who were harmed, we are committed to continuing the fight until their cries are heard everywhere and justice is done,” says First Lady Michal Herzog.

“We carry here a universal message: that sexual violence cannot be accepted as a tool of war,” she says, drawing attention to the plight of the remaining 50 hostages, including Inbar Hayman, the single female captive who is believed to be dead.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-provides-legal-framework-to-prosecute-sexual-violence-during-oct-7-hamas-massacre/

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Twiglets1 · 08/07/2025 19:08

TakeMe2Insanity · 08/07/2025 18:33

And let us not forget this incident where a bedouin girl was gang raped and murdered by the newly formed Israeli army.

That’s illegible. And this thread is about sexual violence as a weapon of war during the October 7th 2023 massacre.

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girljulian · 08/07/2025 18:58

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 18:32

Going into someone's home and deliberately butchering them is very different to civilians killed in a war when killing them is not the objective, but a tragic consequence of war. Do you really not understand this?

What I understand is that as a person of Jewish heritage, who was brought up being told that criticising Israel is not antisemitism and conflating all Jews with the behaviour of Israel IS antisemitism, all of this is incredibly tiring.

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 18:53

Are you seriously bringing up a rape from 1949 in a thread about the gang rapes and sexual violence committed during the current war? What exactly is your point? Does this whataboutery serve a purpose? Because a girl was raped and murdered in 1949… what? Are we going through every rape or murder by every army in the last 80 years? For what purpose?

For clarity: that horrific crime happened in 1949. The IDF at the time launched an investigation, the platoon commander was court-martialed, convicted of murder, and sent to prison. Justice was done.

Meanwhile, the Hamas rapists responsible for what happened on October 7 won’t be investigated, won’t be tried, and certainly won’t be punished. They’ll be celebrated for what they did - rewarded for it.

It’s a shame you felt the need to drag this up, just to avoid facing what really happened to the victims of October 7. I find everything around this situation so revolting.

TakeMe2Insanity · 08/07/2025 18:33

And let us not forget this incident where a bedouin girl was gang raped and murdered by the newly formed Israeli army.

Sexual violence as a weapon of war during October 7 massacre
Sexual violence as a weapon of war during October 7 massacre
ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 18:32

girljulian · 08/07/2025 18:17

Why do you think a murder is more of a murder if it’s done “by hand”? However you slice it, Israel has murdered a hell of a lot more people than Hamas. So yeah, it’s disproportionate.

Going into someone's home and deliberately butchering them is very different to civilians killed in a war when killing them is not the objective, but a tragic consequence of war. Do you really not understand this?

girljulian · 08/07/2025 18:17

ModerateOrGoodOccasionallyPoor · 08/07/2025 17:56

So if they'd staged a re-enactment of 7/10 in reverse as retaliation and done the exact same things in the same way, to the same number of innocent randomly selected people, that would be cool with you, would it? You'd consider that right and proper punishment of Hamas? To randomly select Gazan members of the public to terrorise and murder all in one day, including cutting babies throats, until they'd reached approximately 1200 people, give or take? Not bomb them, but actually chase them down, terrorise, rape and murder them in person? By hand?

You'd be saying 'Yeah. That's fine Israel. Knock yourself out. It's only fair and proportionate.'

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Why do you think a murder is more of a murder if it’s done “by hand”? However you slice it, Israel has murdered a hell of a lot more people than Hamas. So yeah, it’s disproportionate.

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 18:02

A proportionate response to October 7 isn't about matching body counts - it's about doing whatever it takes to get the hostages home and dismantle Hamas so they can never repeat the atrocities they’ve openly promised to carry out again. Any country on earth would demand the same, and no nation would be expected to accept less.

The usual rules of war barely apply here because this isn't a normal war. On one side you have an army - on the other, a terror group that hides in civilian clothing, uses hospitals and schools as cover, fires from UN shelters, and builds tunnels under kindergartens. Hamas wants civilian deaths, especially among its own people, because that turns global opinion against Israel. The suffering of Palestinians is its currency.

While Israel is expected to feed, medicate, and shelter the children of the very people trying to kill them, Hamas steals aid, hoards fuel, and uses civilians as human shields. They deploy child soldiers, booby-trap civilian homes, and hold hostages as leverage. Two years of war - and not one traditional battle.

Because Hamas doesn’t fight to win battles. It fights to manipulate the world into tying Israel’s hands.

In all this, the global conversation routinely ignores Hamas’ blatant war crimes: the deliberate slaughter of civilians, systematic sexual violence, hostage-taking, and total contempt for international law. Somehow it’s all hand-waved away with the word “Nakba,” as if that justifies every horror.

And even doing that is a stretch that requires the rewriting of history. Everything before 1948 disappears. Centuries of Jewish persecution, subjugation, exile, pogroms, statelessness - erased. Hundreds of years of being second class by law in their own home isn't factored. Jews returning to their ancestral home are painted as colonisers, and any level of hatred and savagery towards them is permissible.

I've watched in real time as people excuse terrorism, deny documented atrocities, glorify groups like Hamas, and even romanticise Bin Laden. One of the most revolting has been the denial of sexual violence - despite autopsies, forensic evidence, eyewitnesses, testimonies from doctors, UN reports, and NGO investigations some people will outright deny it occurred.

But if the facts don’t fit the good-versus-evil script people have written in their heads, they just reject the facts. I can tell you - where i come from not a few miles away from Israel, the majority of people completely deny Jews have any right of presence in the middle east at all.

They literally just re-wrote history to pretend Jews were not in Judah. It's so weird. We once had 75000 Jews that had been there 2000 years and then boom, all of them gone. The nakba no one talks about though, as for some reason the world seems to think the rights and stories that belong to everyone else don't apply to these particular people.

I know some Jews, I met them in my adult life. They are really cool, kind people with good senses of humour and I would imagine most of the people at the nova festival that day probably just wanted to have peace with Palestinians. Utter, atrocious waste of life.

Madcatdudette · 08/07/2025 17:57

Naomival · 08/07/2025 17:35

Exactly. It literally blows my mind the amount of my politically left leaning friends who are now so " pro- Palestinian". Like rape, murder in the worst way, women's rights don't matter. If they had to live even a day there they would be on Israel's side. As is everyone who has visited Israel and knows it's not the monster state some people like to make out it is. The only place in the middle east where gay people can get married....yet Israeli's were outraced from London Pride. Turkeys voting for Xmas.

We need to unite against the terrorist organisations that are responsible for the current conflict.
We need stop being so scared of being ‘islamophobic’ and remember the facts. Islamic terrorism is the no1 threat to uk soil.
Do you see Ireland bowing down? No, and fair play to them.
I am also gobsmacked that Pride is no longer a movement for actual gay/bi men and women.
As if any gay person would have liberties in Islamic states 🤷‍♀️

ModerateOrGoodOccasionallyPoor · 08/07/2025 17:56

girljulian · 08/07/2025 17:39

I mean...yeah, of course? That's what "proportionate" means. As opposed to raping and murdering thousands of women and kids.

So if they'd staged a re-enactment of 7/10 in reverse as retaliation and done the exact same things in the same way, to the same number of innocent randomly selected people, that would be cool with you, would it? You'd consider that right and proper punishment of Hamas? To randomly select Gazan members of the public to terrorise and murder all in one day, including cutting babies throats, until they'd reached approximately 1200 people, give or take? Not bomb them, but actually chase them down, terrorise, rape and murder them in person? By hand?

You'd be saying 'Yeah. That's fine Israel. Knock yourself out. It's only fair and proportionate.'

girljulian · 08/07/2025 17:39

ModerateOrGoodOccasionallyPoor · 08/07/2025 17:02

What constitutes 'proportionate' to you? An eye for an eye, nothing more, nothing less? Should they have captured and raped the exact same number of young Gazan women? Sexually mutilated the same number of Gazan women? Murdered the same number of Gazan babies with their bare hands? Picked a neighbourhood and gone house to house looking for the exact same number of Gazan families to burn alive in their homes? Rounded up the exact same number of young Gazan people as there were Israelis shot at the Nova festival, release them into a field or the woods, tell them to run, then chase them down and shoot them? I mean, let's be clear, ALL of that would have been in exactly the correct proportion, wouldn't it?

I mean...yeah, of course? That's what "proportionate" means. As opposed to raping and murdering thousands of women and kids.

Naomival · 08/07/2025 17:35

Madcatdudette · 08/07/2025 12:51

I think anyone who watched the atrocities carried out by Hamas on 710 would not be surprised by this.
I’m more shocked at the amount of people who think that retaliation from Israel was not justified.

Exactly. It literally blows my mind the amount of my politically left leaning friends who are now so " pro- Palestinian". Like rape, murder in the worst way, women's rights don't matter. If they had to live even a day there they would be on Israel's side. As is everyone who has visited Israel and knows it's not the monster state some people like to make out it is. The only place in the middle east where gay people can get married....yet Israeli's were outraced from London Pride. Turkeys voting for Xmas.

Madcatdudette · 08/07/2025 17:21

When people are allowed to say Islam is a threat; Something the counter terrorism department has confirmed; then maybe a modicum of sense will prevail.
Whilst people are okay with chants of ‘death’ whilst simultaneously saying the working class are racist bigoted scum, the oppression of freedom of speech in the uk will continue to be eroded.
The Jewish community has NEVER posed a threat to Uk security. The same can’t be said for Islam.
This is factual. Not propaganda or political rhetoric.

ModerateOrGoodOccasionallyPoor · 08/07/2025 17:02

skippy67 · 08/07/2025 13:04

Justified yes. Proportionate, absolutely not.

What constitutes 'proportionate' to you? An eye for an eye, nothing more, nothing less? Should they have captured and raped the exact same number of young Gazan women? Sexually mutilated the same number of Gazan women? Murdered the same number of Gazan babies with their bare hands? Picked a neighbourhood and gone house to house looking for the exact same number of Gazan families to burn alive in their homes? Rounded up the exact same number of young Gazan people as there were Israelis shot at the Nova festival, release them into a field or the woods, tell them to run, then chase them down and shoot them? I mean, let's be clear, ALL of that would have been in exactly the correct proportion, wouldn't it?

Madcatdudette · 08/07/2025 16:51

Sa11yCinnamon · 08/07/2025 16:50

I misread your comment about the marches and apologise, I can't edit my reply so have asked for it to be removed.

Stand by my other comments though and won't be engaging further, just want to hold my hands up on that one.

Free Palestine ✊

No you don’t need to do that. Everyone misreads sometimes, it’s human nature.
I agree with free Palestine. I just feel that free Gaza from Hamas would gather more unity.

Sa11yCinnamon · 08/07/2025 16:50

Madcatdudette · 08/07/2025 16:03

So you basically admit that you can find no evidence of hatred when it comes to antisemitism marches in the uk?
Off you trot, you could try Flouncers Corner 🤷‍♀️

I misread your comment about the marches and apologise, I can't edit my reply so have asked for it to be removed.

Stand by my other comments though and won't be engaging further, just want to hold my hands up on that one.

Free Palestine ✊

ByGreenHiker · 08/07/2025 16:38

Madcatdudette · 08/07/2025 15:52

Oh yes, let’s all fuck off back to 1948 when the Arabs refused to take what was offered but Israel did.
Then the Arabs decided to kill Jews as a protest 🙄

Absolutely anything to deflect from Palestinian leaders absolutely failing the Palestinian people for decades by preferring to pick repeated fights in the region and not just with Israel either!

Even PA President Abbas admitted Arab leaders were wrong to reject the 1947 UN Partition Plan.

Reject then fight ad nauseum is a terrible plan as Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman pointed out as they have no real power in the region and should have accepted a deal. Rejection is a tactical response to a situation they don't have a strategic ability to achieve.

You don't get better deals long after rejecting the best deal there ever was on the table (1947 UN Partition Plan) as all subsequent deals can never be as good.

They've gone too far now. They were given a state in 2005 and the Israelis left Gaza. The people elected Hamas in 2006 and now here we are.

Madcatdudette · 08/07/2025 16:03

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So you basically admit that you can find no evidence of hatred when it comes to antisemitism marches in the uk?
Off you trot, you could try Flouncers Corner 🤷‍♀️

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Madcatdudette · 08/07/2025 15:52

Sa11yCinnamon · 08/07/2025 15:44

No I don't, but let's not pretend this started on October 7. It started in 1948, when the Nakba wasn't justified either.

Oh yes, let’s all fuck off back to 1948 when the Arabs refused to take what was offered but Israel did.
Then the Arabs decided to kill Jews as a protest 🙄

Madcatdudette · 08/07/2025 15:50

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I notice you’ve said ‘ Israelis’ so are you referencing Israel or the uk?

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Sa11yCinnamon · 08/07/2025 15:44

Madcatdudette · 08/07/2025 15:37

You think Hamas raping and murdering Israeli citizens was justified?
You think the Israeli people wouldn’t be a lil twitchy about the contents of the Hamas charter?
After 7/10 what would you have wanted Israel to do?

No I don't, but let's not pretend this started on October 7. It started in 1948, when the Nakba wasn't justified either.

Madcatdudette · 08/07/2025 15:37

Sa11yCinnamon · 08/07/2025 15:26

You think thousands of babies and children being murdered is justified??

You think Hamas raping and murdering Israeli citizens was justified?
You think the Israeli people wouldn’t be a lil twitchy about the contents of the Hamas charter?
After 7/10 what would you have wanted Israel to do?

Madcatdudette · 08/07/2025 15:34

It’s the Jewish who always suffer the greatest for not actually doing or saying anything wrong.

Antisemitism should not be a thing in the UK. The Jewish community has done nothing to warrant hatred. I’ve yet to experience anyone on an antisemitism protest spouting ‘death’ to anyone or any group.

Sa11yCinnamon · 08/07/2025 15:26

Madcatdudette · 08/07/2025 12:51

I think anyone who watched the atrocities carried out by Hamas on 710 would not be surprised by this.
I’m more shocked at the amount of people who think that retaliation from Israel was not justified.

You think thousands of babies and children being murdered is justified??

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