Sexual violence as a weapon of war during October 7 massacre

Good grief.

I think in every case where one side is exterminating children, they should stop doing that.

Oct 7th was awful but contrasted to what’s happened in Gaza since, it looks like nothing. And that’s Israel’s fault.

Hyperbole like this seems to be a common pro-Palestinian trait.

If Israel wanted to murder ‘the entirety of Gaza’, they would have done that long before now so I think we can deduce that they don’t.

What are your views on every other war where, very tragically, children are killed?

Are you saying Israel should have let Hamas (and the Palestinian participants) get away with Oct 7th and repeat it again and again as they vowed to for fear of Hamas using kids as human shields?

The thread is about sexual violence during the October 7th massacre. You posted a screenshot from an account that is pro the Octover 7th massacre. Which is insensitive to say the least.

If you want to discuss a different topic maybe you can start a new thread. Or post it on one of your existing ones. Or find a source that isn't an antisemitic twitter account.

This is a thread about sexual violence perpetrated by one side to another. As stated up thread sexual violence should not be carried out however while making out only Israeli’s suffered. I don’t see any acceptance from you that Palestinians have suffered sexual violence against them, this states it happened right from the creation of Israel. Or are you saying the IDF have never carried out sexual violence??

Will they ever? Is this going well? Is it having the desired effect? Do you think murdering the entirety of Gaza is going to save the remaining hostages? Clearly not. But sure let’s keep killing innocent kids.

What struck me about that were the men surrounding the dead, mangled body of a girl laughing and braying like she was some sort of hunting trophy. If Israelis had driven the half clothed mangled body of a Palestinian women through the streets of Tel aviv while Israeli men laughed and took videos we would be utterly disgusted.

People don’t believe men like that could be rapists is extraordinary to me.

Still 50 hostages - alive and dead (some were alive when taken) - their families and friends are watching 'the world' marching for peace Palestine and wondering why the marchers don't mention it.

Have they got all the hostages back?

Has Hamas surrendered?

FFS!

I think people in the west are particularly sensitive to it in the UK because of things like grooming gangs and repeated stories in the newspapers of sexual harassment and violence by refugees from predominantly muslim countries.

It pains me to point this out, I know many wonderful muslim people. But I do think this is where the sensitivity comes from. People don’t want it to become a feature of how muslims are seen. Unfortunately sexual violence is common in all war zones. The Russians have been brutal towards Ukrainian women and children.

Also it’s very hard to defend rape vs murder in a weird way. Murder can be painted as “resistance” (honestly I watched the video of that poor Thai man hacked to death and I don’t understand the thinking of people who justify 7th October with the whole “history didn’t start here”). Rape is always about degradation. I think also the fashion nowadays is to see rape purely in terms of power, I don’t believe that, some men are aroused by sexual violence. They weren’t all Hamas either, Palestinian civilians joined in.

No-one apart from the Russians would pretend that rape hasn’t happened in Ukraine, I don’t see rape denial about Syria or Sudan. This is very unique to Israeli women.

Good! Glad to hear that at least she is home x

“What is also antisemitic is holding Jews around the world collectively responsible for the actions of Israel - and that happens every day, in attacks, abuse, vandalism, and exclusion. A problem which is escalated vastly by demonisation of things naturally associated with Jews, such as Israel.”

exactly!!! This is the whole point I am making but you seem to have turned it into a confused oxymoron. It’s antisemitic to hold Jews responsible for the actions of Israel. So why the hell are people continuing to defend Israel’s atrocities when all it’s doing is turning people against Jews?

@girljulian I don’t know. That’s up to them really. Has the threat been wiped out?

They don’t have a legitimate military purpose at this point, do they?

Naama Levy - she came home a few months ago.
@Anonimummy

For fuck’s sake … NO, that is NOT what ‘proportionate’ means. ‘Proportionate’ means:

(a) do you have a legitimate military purpose?
(b) if so, you must not go beyond what is necessary to achieve it.

Go away, and don’t come back until you’ve learned such basic stuff.

And the young woman with blood soaked jogging pants pulled out of the truck by her hair with her Achilles heel slashed.

Not sure what happened to her afterwards? Was she found?

I’ve actually seen pictures of women half burnt one with legs open and nails in her vagina. Traumatising enough just bearing witness let alone thinking what they went through.

How can that be compared with civilians being caught in the crossfire of a war without deliberate intention to kill, in all honesty.

I’d rather myself or my DD go that way than what happened to those poor women.

All at the hands of Hamas either way you look at it.

@stonecutterNo. It didn’t start in 1948. In pre biblical times. Some people cannot live in peace. Each generation has a go at helping but gets nowhere fast. There is no answer because they all kill each other.

This is absolutely mind boggling to me.

It's terrifying

This is absolutely mind boggling to me.

Yes, Hamas (and Palestinian civilians) cut off heads, dismembered children while alive, burnt families alive, took babies hostage and strangled them while in captivity then mutilated their bodies but RAPE - oh no, they’d never do that.

Fucking nuts!

Hamas has denied its forces committed sexual violence against women or mistreated female hostages.

How can they deny it?

We all saw how Shani Louk was treated.

Innocent Palestinians have been butchered in their homes or walking down the street minding their own business for decades by IDF including children shot playing in their garden.

Seriously? Coming on a thread about sexual violence on October 7th to post screenshots from a social media account that gleefully posted videos of Israelis running from "resistance fighters" on October 7th? That's a new low.

You think it started in 1948? Do we all get to decide when history started to suit our argument?

Your reply doesn't relate to my post, but I will answer anyway.

Criticising Israel is not antisemitic - nobody serious is claiming otherwise. But let’s be honest: some people have a very creative definition of “criticism,” which often crosses into something far more toxic. What is very common for example is taking everything that antisemitism is (the idea that Jews are uniquely evil and must be destroyed for humanity to be right) and just applying the exact same theory to the Jewish state or Zionists or some other clearly Jewish thing that they think gives them a hall pass. Which is antisemitism, as described on the Jerusalem Declaration specifically as "coded antisemitism". It's like they think they found the antisemitism cheat code!

What is also antisemitic is holding Jews around the world collectively responsible for the actions of Israel - and that happens every day, in attacks, abuse, vandalism, and exclusion. A problem which is escalated vastly by demonisation of things naturally associated with Jews, such as Israel.

It’s not antisemitic to acknowledge that Jews and Israel are connected. Israel is the Jewish state - founded as a homeland for the Jewish people. Most Jews around the world feel a bond with it, whether cultural, religious, familial, or personal. So yes, the two are naturally associated.

The ones who conflate “Jews” and “Israel” in a hateful way are the antisemites themselves. They reverse-engineer the definition of antisemitism to suit their agenda- insisting they’re “just criticising Israel” while relentlessly spewing age-old tropes, obsessively demonising the only Jewish state, and celebrating or justifying violence against Jews. Then, when you call it what it is, they accuse you of being the one conflating Jews and Israel.

No. They’re the ones doing that.

I think whats so sad is the level of rape denial around this. In no other conflict have I seen people rush to deny that rape took place. It’s weird how people are happy to throw their lot on with murders but not rapists because rape isn’t “noble” it makes you just look like a pervert so they deny it took place.