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Israels plan for Gazas future

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MixedMetals · 07/07/2025 22:40

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Defense minister: Israel to concentrate all Gaza population in Rafah 'humanitarian' zone

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

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veiledsentiments · 15/07/2025 19:19

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Twiglets1 · 15/07/2025 19:07

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I was asking you to clarify that one Jewish voice doesn't speak for all Jews.

Because you seem to think that Jews in Israel should listen to Mandy Patinkin because "he is Jewish".

Martymcfly24 · 15/07/2025 19:06

You are not Jewish @Anonimummy .
He is.

Absolutely vile to say he has invalidated himself and his own ethnicity because he holds a different opinion to you. Silencing his voice is shameful .

veiledsentiments · 15/07/2025 19:00

Anonimummy · 15/07/2025 15:49

Oh really, what do you think of Mosab Hassan Yousef?

I think blaming Israel for fighting a war they didn’t start for global antisemitism and putting Jewish people worldwide in danger, rather than putting accountability on antisemites and those who wish to attack/kill Jews because they are Jews with Gaza as an excuse, is absolutely despicable.

Why are you asking about the green prince? A man who was kidnapped as a boy by the IDF? And was subjected to god knows what horrors that it broke him to the level that he betrayed his own people, his friends and his family and even his own father? The anger and shame is blatant just by looking at his eyes. The reason he converted to Christianity is that he craves forgiveness as Christianity is a religion of forgiveness.

Anonimummy · 15/07/2025 18:56

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What agenda do you think I have? I’m not Jewish or Israeli and have no skin in this conflict. I can have an opinion though.

He invalidated himself by giving validation to anti-semites all around the world because Israel is fighting a war to defend its citizens and dismantle Hamas, while making no mention of Hamas who are the reason this war started in the first place.

Netanyahu is the most dangerous thing - not an Iran backed terrorist organisation who carried out Oct 7th and has been/is currently using Palestinian civilians as human shields while indoctrinating them to continue the conflict for generations to come, killing and torturing them for trying to get aid and refusing to surrender and release the rest of the hostages to enable more Palestinians to get killed?

Give me a break.

DrPrunesqualer · 15/07/2025 18:49

Annihilation is a term I believe to be accurate. Given pps queries here I had a look over news etc articles to see if annihilation is too aggressive a term. It seems not. This article for example notes ‘whilst states argue over terminology ‘…. People can argue but the unfolding outcome remains the same. dictionary definition number 1 then article also using annihilation to describe what’s happening in Gaza. I’ll use the terms I deem appropriate unless I believe the definition wrong. It isn’t.

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Martymcfly24 · 15/07/2025 18:30

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SharonEllis · 15/07/2025 17:36

DrPrunesqualer · 15/07/2025 15:10

You don’t have to live or be in Israel to have experience of terrorist attacks. We don’t go around thinking annihilating a population or taking complete control over civilians lives is an acceptable solution to that.

You've lost me. Where is a population being annhilated?

HellsBalls · 15/07/2025 16:54

@DrPrunesqualer ”We don’t go around thinking annihilating a population”

Where is this annihilation taking place?
It’s not happening in Gaza.

Anonimummy · 15/07/2025 15:49

Martymcfly24 · 15/07/2025 15:32

I was thinking the same thing, it appears a Jewish voice is only important when it agrees with them .

Oh really, what do you think of Mosab Hassan Yousef?

I think blaming Israel for fighting a war they didn’t start for global antisemitism and putting Jewish people worldwide in danger, rather than putting accountability on antisemites and those who wish to attack/kill Jews because they are Jews with Gaza as an excuse, is absolutely despicable.

Twiglets1 · 15/07/2025 15:38

Martymcfly24 · 15/07/2025 15:32

I was thinking the same thing, it appears a Jewish voice is only important when it agrees with them .

Not at all what they were saying but one Jewish voice doesn’t speak for all Jews does he? These individual examples just look desperate to prove a point.

Martymcfly24 · 15/07/2025 15:32

BelleHathor · 15/07/2025 14:58

Don't waste your breath/energy, a response like that was predictable and it's why Kathryn Grody specifically spoke about being labelled as a "self hating Jew" in the video. Unfortunately many Jewish people who are speaking out about Palestine are bullied, called names or made fun of.

Remember this couple are in their 70s/80s, they remember experienced the racism of the older days, perhaps some heed should be paid to their experience.

I was thinking the same thing, it appears a Jewish voice is only important when it agrees with them .

DrPrunesqualer · 15/07/2025 15:10

Anonimummy · 15/07/2025 15:05

Have they ever lived in Israel or experienced terrorist attacks and threats of annihilation from Palestinians?

Were they living in Israel on Oct 7th?

You don’t have to live or be in Israel to have experience of terrorist attacks. We don’t go around thinking annihilating a population or taking complete control over civilians lives is an acceptable solution to that.

Anonimummy · 15/07/2025 15:05

BelleHathor · 15/07/2025 14:58

Don't waste your breath/energy, a response like that was predictable and it's why Kathryn Grody specifically spoke about being labelled as a "self hating Jew" in the video. Unfortunately many Jewish people who are speaking out about Palestine are bullied, called names or made fun of.

Remember this couple are in their 70s/80s, they remember experienced the racism of the older days, perhaps some heed should be paid to their experience.

Have they ever lived in Israel or experienced terrorist attacks and threats of annihilation from Palestinians?

Were they living in Israel on Oct 7th?

BelleHathor · 15/07/2025 14:58

Martymcfly24 · 15/07/2025 13:50

'Is there a reason you think Jewish people should listen or take heed from an ACTOR"

Oh I thought by this sentence you didn't know that, you know that he is one of those "Jewish people"

Don't waste your breath/energy, a response like that was predictable and it's why Kathryn Grody specifically spoke about being labelled as a "self hating Jew" in the video. Unfortunately many Jewish people who are speaking out about Palestine are bullied, called names or made fun of.

Remember this couple are in their 70s/80s, they remember experienced the racism of the older days, perhaps some heed should be paid to their experience.

Anonimummy · 15/07/2025 14:28

Oh look. Netanyahu’s plan for Gaza, straight out of the horses mouth, ‘a solution that allows to Palestinians to govern themselves if they don’t seek the destruction of Israel’.

Who’s going to step forward to lead them do you think?

https://x.com/netanyahu/status/1944793281046429797

https://x.com/netanyahu/status/1944793281046429797

Anonimummy · 15/07/2025 14:07

I was well aware. Having looked him up when he was in Homeland.

He’s got a platform as an American actor living in the US, and is using it to blame and shame his fellow Jews in Israel for a war they didn’t start, and for defending themselves against a clear and present danger, in a region he doesn’t live in.

Why do you think they should listen to him?

Martymcfly24 · 15/07/2025 13:50

Anonimummy · 15/07/2025 13:42

So what?

'Is there a reason you think Jewish people should listen or take heed from an ACTOR"

Oh I thought by this sentence you didn't know that, you know that he is one of those "Jewish people"

Anonimummy · 15/07/2025 13:42

Martymcfly24 · 15/07/2025 13:12

But he is Jewish.

So what?

Martymcfly24 · 15/07/2025 13:12

Anonimummy · 15/07/2025 12:14

Shame, I used to really love him in Homeland.

Is there a reason you think Jewish people should listen or take heed from an ACTOR, especially one who seems to think antisemitism is inevitable when the only Jewish state defends, and acts to prevent further terrorism against its citizens?

But he is Jewish.

quantumbutterfly · 15/07/2025 12:24

Anonimummy · 15/07/2025 12:14

Shame, I used to really love him in Homeland.

Is there a reason you think Jewish people should listen or take heed from an ACTOR, especially one who seems to think antisemitism is inevitable when the only Jewish state defends, and acts to prevent further terrorism against its citizens?

I'm just thinking of how applicable that quote is to the pro-palestinian side too. There'd be no problem if enough people on both sides recognised that - but it's too lucrative for hamas to let go. The connections between Hezbollah and the South American drug trade would also suggest this is not about fairness.

Anonimummy · 15/07/2025 12:14

BelleHathor · 15/07/2025 09:56

There's a great interview with Mandy Patinkin (Princess Bride, Homeland and Broadway actor) where he and his wife talk about Gaza.

Interviewer: Are you thinking or feeling any differently about what it means for you to be Jewish in in this moment?

Kathryn Grody: I hate the way some people are using anti-semitism as a claim for anybody that is critical about a certain policy. You know, as far as I am concerned, compassion for every person in Gaza, you know, is very Jewish. And the fact that I abhor the policies of the leader of that country does not mean I'm a self-hating Jew or I'm anti-Semitic.

Interviewer: You mean Netanyahu when you say the the leader of that country,

Kathryn Grody: Netanyahu? Yes. I uh I I feel this is the behavior the politics of what he's doing is the worst thing for Jewish people. It's like lighting a candle for
anybody that has any anti-semitic feelings. It's creating a generation of wounded and hurt kids who will understandably be very angry. So that is how I feel and I feel um I really feel deeply troubled and horrified by what is happening in my
name.

Mandy Patinkin: 15 years ago I was in Philadelphia and then I go up to the hotel room. Katherine was in the hotel room and uh the movie was on. She was watching The Princess Bride and just as I walked in the room is that final scene in the movie where Inigo is sitting by the window with the man in black and the man in black asks Enigo would he like to be the next Dread Pirate Robertson. And the Enigo Montoya actor who was me said these words which I did not really know what they meant that William Goldman wrote which I think are the singular greatest words I've ever read. You know, I have been in the revenge business so long.Now that it's over, I do not know what to do with the rest of my life. And I ask Jews all over the world to consider what this man, Benjamin Netanyahu, and his right-wing government is doing to the Jewish people all over the world. They are endangering not only the state of Israel, which I care deeply about and want to exist, but they are endangering the Jewish population all over the world. He is the most dangerous thing, not just since October 7th. It is it has
been a a a deeply troubled situation and endangering the Jews by endangering
those in Gaza. and to watch what is happening for the Jewish people. To allow this to happen to children and civilians of all ages in Gaza for whatever reason is unconscionable and unthinkable. And I ask you Jews everywhere all over the world to spend some time alone and think is this acceptable and sustainable?
How could it be done to you and your ancestors?

Here is the video, their emotion, frustration and humanity is clearly palpable.

Shame, I used to really love him in Homeland.

Is there a reason you think Jewish people should listen or take heed from an ACTOR, especially one who seems to think antisemitism is inevitable when the only Jewish state defends, and acts to prevent further terrorism against its citizens?

Martymcfly24 · 15/07/2025 12:05

Irish Taoiseach Micheàl Martin has also described the plan as "a concentration camp idea”.

PuttingOnTheKitsch · 15/07/2025 11:51

Bizarre that someone would claim that "only 30,000k" people being killed was no big deal.

Genocide is not about numbers, it is about intent. The Srebrenican genocide has around 8000 victims, it is still a genocide due to the intent of the Serbs to eliminate the Bosniak population. Intent which the Israeli government as quoted above clearly share towards the Palestinans in Gaza.

Finally, the removal of Palestinians from Gaza is ethnic cleansing, which is also a war crime.

Martymcfly24 · 15/07/2025 10:31

There is no ways to practically implement it. It is quite possibly (as well as a war crime) the stupidest idea ever.