Israels plan for Gazas future

The ceasefire of 60 days so once again it will be a rushed job .

It's almost like they don't want Hamas to agree to the ceasefire by giving out information like this

I don’t think Palestinians have anything to be proud of tbh.

Their cause to annihilate Israel has been a massive failure, it has destroyed Palestinian quality of lives for decades and the loss of life on both sides has been a disgusting pointless waste.

I imagine from the Israeli perspective they are just drilling down into what they think will work (who knows if they are right). They have been in Gaza too long, the toll on both populations is too heavy. I guess trying to just get it done is the best thing for everyone. Israel need to withdraw and the Gazans need to rebuild. People on mumsnet are irrelevant, people on the streets of western capitals are irrelevant, my posting on here is irrelevant. The middle east will move as the middle east see’s fit.

I don’t know how you finish off Hamas and get the remaining hostages back. I also wish they would just quit it and move to Qatar. How long do you keep going before you admit you lost and in the process screwed your own people. All they need to do is get passage from a friendly government and give back the hostages. It’s very simple.

Nonsensical to you.
I imagine proud Palestinians would feel very different.

Ethnic cleansing is also a war crime.

The minimising of the Palestinian people's plight, and the constant associations of Palestinian equals danger for Israel is rooted in racism for a lot of people. Many posters on mumsnet use the word "Palestinian" instead of hamas. Also being muslim is seen as being more likely to be a terrorist by many racists, i believe that why many people aren't that bothered by whats happening to the Palestinian people.

I didnt minimise danger to Israel, as you well know! I pointed out the very real danger to Israel of increased terrorism because of their behaviour in Gaza.

Firstly some Palestinians have chosen to leave and gone through great difficulty and expense to get out knowing they are unlikely to be ever allowed to return.

Secondly an organised refugee programme where they can get temporary refuge in a neighbouring country until it is safe to return is not what is being offered. Once Palestinians leave they will not get back and Gaza will no longer be their home. That's ethnic cleansing. You wouldn't accept this for Israelis so not sure why you think Palestinians should.

The two things are very different

Tbf if I were an army working in a densely populated area I would also not want civilians in my way,
Yet no other modern army working in these conditions have opted for caging civilians in like animals. You can spin this whatever way you want, it is a shocking plan and no one should be trying to justify it.

That is a nonsensical reason and is purely to keep the war ongoing and force a ceasefire which will keep Hamas in power.

If Hamas hadn’t deliberately started this war, there would be no need for neighbouring countries to take in refugees.

That is a nonsensical reason and is purely to keep the war ongoing and force a ceasefire which will keep Hamas in power.

If Hamas hadn’t deliberately started this war, there would be no need for neighbouring countries to take in refugees.

Because by taking in refugees from Palestine it is playing right into the ethnic cleansing hands of Trump and Netanyahu.

Why would Palestinians want to leave.. they have spent nearly 80 years trying to remain in a reducing area just go hand over their land to the oppressor.

What other modern army has worked in these conditions?

In a terrorist enclave where terrorists are virtually indistinguishable from civilians?

With a terrorist organisation voted in by its citizens as its governing body?

Again what neighbouring countries have offered to take refugees which is standard in any other war?

Tbf if I were an army working in a densely populated area I would also not want civilians in my way,
Yet no other modern army working in these conditions have opted for caging civilians in like animals. You can spin this whatever way you want, it is a shocking plan and no one should be trying to justify it.

I don’t think this is how it works, the objection was the PA and the involvement of UNWRA for obvious reasons. Gulf nations step into the breech and a plan based on this plan can work. Saying “no we can’t agree to this in it’s current format” isn’t the same thing as saying “we are just going to open death camps instead”.

There will be a plan at some point.

Random quotes? In what world is listening to what Israeli ministers have said in the past 24hrs 'random quotes', I'm not digging to see what Katz said 20years ago on a visit to his mother in laws house.

Tbf if I were an army working in a densely populated area I would also not want civilians in my way, it makes everyone less safe. Soldiers in urban areas where enemy combatants aren’t wearing a uniform are more likely to inadvertently harm civilians. They are also more likely to be harmed because they can’t tell the difference between a combatant and a civilian until someone starts firing at them. Another way hamas gets civilians killed.

Also are people missing the fact that this creation of this “humanitarian city” is going to happen during the ceasefire?

I wonder whether these gangs armed by Israel are going to be inside or outside of the camps.

The Arab proposal that you linked to. It was dismissed by Israel.

I’m just surprised that you think that that is the “actual plan” and not what Israel is saying is the plan which is the internment of Gazan’s and the military occupation of Gaza.

Whicharab plan, there are probably multiple ones? Dismissed by who?

I don’t know why people think they won’t be death camps. If you move 2 million people (many of whom are already malnourished) into an area that fits 250,000 people especially where the sewage, waste are decimated ect.. disease will take over pretty quickly and people will die. The children first.
@User37482 is anyone talking about the Arab plan? It’s been dismissed.

I understand what you are saying @User37482 the plan is to ID civilians and move them into secure areas without Hamas militants amongst them so they can finish whatever operational objectives they have without civilians all over the place.

The proposed plan would undoubtedly reduce the number of civilian deaths (and military deaths) so in that sense it's a good idea.

However, it isn't the best idea re how it looks to the world.

It will be used for propaganda purposes as we already see on MN.

Sigh ... I wish Hamas would just agree to disarm and leave Gaza.