Israels plan for Gazas future

It's not for me to decide which countries should offer them asylum @Martymcfly24

I would hope that some middle eastern countries would want to help those that want to leave.

Hamas had been terrible for the poor Gazans. Deliberately siting their rat-run of tunnels under schools and hospitals - the most vulnerable people. Just disgusting. They could have released the hostages at any stage - but no.

What areas do you regard the Right of Return to Palestine covers?

No I didn’t say that.

Why are you trying to deflect from what I actually did say by falsely claiming I said something I didn’t? Pretty juvenile behaviour.

It is true - Hamas are Palestinians, Palestinians conceived of and created Hamas, Palestinians elected Hamas.

Which is fair enough if they choose to leave but no one should be forced to and all that leave should have the RIght to Return to Palestine.
Realistically though for a good standard of living where do they go? Many of the surrounding countries cannot support their own population never mind a potential 2m impoverished traumatized refugees. I very much doubt the US or Europe will take them.
And there is going to be prejudice against them with attitudes like all Palestinians are Hamas, they will be ostracized.

I am saying not all Palestinians are Hamas like you said .

Sorry what are you saying ‘No they are not’ to?

That Hamas are not Palestinians?

I don't think anyone has suggested they should "have" to leave permanently more that they could get offered the opportunity to resettle in another country after the war.

You don't seem to understand why they might want to but I do and think you might be surprised by how many do want to leave Gaza after the war if that provides better opportunities for them & their children.

Do you have a source for that 80% figure?

Since the holocaust the term "concentration camp" is mainly identified with Jews and Nazis. Is it too much to ask that people who know that that term is triggering for some people should avoid it, if they are debating in good faith?

No one is saying don't talk about the "camps" but I can understand why using that particular phrase will be triggering for some people on these threads.

Why wouldn't they get fair treatment in another country if the other country has agreed to take them and is being paid to take them?

Why are you assuming that a country likely to be in the middle East would not treat them fairly?

Hang on my words are being twisted here. I never once mentioned proud in the context of the conflict but proud as in a people who have survived so much over the past 80 years and still had a high level of education. Still had celebrations and families and prepared traditional food and created businesses even when everything was stacked against them. Still had a strong literary tradition.
Had pride in where they were from and the beautiful country that was Palestine. I have seen so many videos celebrating life and culture in Palestine pre war and the amazing

That was why they are proud and should not have to leave permanently.

Again I never mentioned Hamas.

I agree Netanyahu will also be trying to achieve the best outcome for himself.

But he does at least show some concern for his own citizens - unlike Hamas.

It's baffling to me that you think they actually care about what happens to their own citizens after the war since they have shown no care for their welfare during the war (or in starting the war).

Some Palestinians celebrated it as you well know.

Not all of them and maybe not the majority of them, I don't know the level of support for Hamas amongst Palestinians in Gaza. But it's true that not all of them should be called "proud" if they have supported Hamas and the actions of Hamas.

Concentration camps were called that before the Second World War, in the Boer War, for instance, where Boer civilians were 'concentrated' in holding camps by the British (to our shame).

And they are going to get fair treatment in another country when you see the vile posts like @Anonimummy that brands them all terrorists?

There was a joke in Lebanon that Iran would fight to the last Lebanese. This whole thing remind me of that. Hamas will fight to the last Palestinian standing.

The current talks are intended by the USA to be a ceasefire leading to the end of the war. Hamas is basically saying they want an end to the want, stay in place and no hostages released until Israel leaves. Israel is saying they want the hostages back and Hamas out of Gaza before they will agree to an end.

The sticking point is hamas in gaza and the hostages. If Hamas were minded they could stop it all right now.

Sooooo the first concentration camps that the British used in South Africa are just going to be glossed over? Cool.

Hmm let me think... why would Palestinians want to leave...

I hope and think a lot would be more pragmatic than you and think my life is shit here and my children have nothing ... moving might be a very attractive option as long as a country will take them and offer them decent housing, schools, etc.

So Hamas are not Palestinians?

Palestinians didn’t conceive of and create Hamas?

Palestinians didn’t elect Hamas to govern them?

Your mental gymnastics to separate Hamas from
Palestinians must be tiresome.

Hamas rejected the last round because they wanted to be back in charge of aid. Remember that warehouse where Hamas started shooting civilians who broke into it. There was so much flour, it was astounding how much was in there, not distributed, waiting to be sold. It was really awful. They can’t be in charge of aid, GHF is chaotic but at least they aren’t selling it.

That's the whole point of a ceasefire. I'm sure Netanyahu will be doing the same.