Israels plan for Gazas future

I typed out an answer to a your questions and then deleted it because do you know what I am really sick of these silly distractions. Really what we are talking about here, right now, are actual plans from Israel who have already destroyed Gaza, who have openly spoken about their wish to ethnically cleanse them and have unveiled how they plan to do this. That is the pressing issue right now. The people who are actively being 'concentrated' into a small part of Gaza, who are now facing, if Israels plans go ahead, the choice between life in a camp forever or leave their homeland forever.

Why you want to talk about every thing but the actual thread topic is beyond me. I'm concerned about the actual plans for ethnic cleansing that I can see unfolding before my eyes supported by the UK government. That is why I started this thread. Not to discuss everything but that.

No, people using Meir's racist words to justify and minimise the slaughter of innocent Palestinians at the hands of Israel and washing them off any accountability is disgusting and perverse.

It's not lazy. I'm just sick of victim blaming, and the quote you mentioned froths with racist victim blaming. It's disgusting and needs to be called out.

Like they haven't done so before Oct 7th or did history just start then?

How is it racist?

At that time Meir was referring to the wars against Israel started by the surrounding Arab countries. So she was stating facts!

Do you honestly not think Palestinian terrorism has any bearing on the current war and the previous 50 years of conflict?

I wonder if you will even answer the above question?

The majority of Palestinians are Arabs.

Palestinian Arabs have carried out most, if not all (not sure if the few Palestinian Christians have been involved? ) of the terrorist attacks against Israelis.

Facts are not racist.

Victim blaming -do you mean blaming Israel? because I can't recall any news talking about Israelis killing, torturing, raping, kidnapping Palestinians on 7th October

It's not lazy. I'm just sick of victim blaming, and the quote you mentioned froths with racist victim blaming. It's disgusting and needs to be called out.

It's not lazy. I'm just sick of victim blaming, and the quote you mentioned froths with racist victim blaming. It's disgusting and needs to be called out.

What a load of racist shit.

It's such a shame to see insightful, informative and questioning posts responded to with such lazy, dismissive slogans like this.

Back to 'look what they made us do'. We don't stand for that with abusers, and we won't here either.

The first bit is of that quote is even more poignant today:

"When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons."

@ForgesOfEmpires

Excellent post.

To quote Golda Meir: "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us"

@ForgesOfEmpires

Excellent post.

To quote Golda Meir: "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us"

I would expect Israel to allow aid organisations full access and allow the passage of aid and building materials into Gaza and that eventually some form of life could resume. What alternative is there?

In an ideal world more people would have spoken up a long time ago when it became clear that Israel were destroying Gaza piece by piece, home by home, hospital by hospital etc. They said at the start of the conflict that this was their plan. You only have to look at aerial footage of Gaza to see the wanton destruction they have caused. Hamas were never in all of those homes, never in the all of that land used for crops, it's an impossibility. The IDF have filmed themselves leisurely bulldozing homes and crops and setting fire to buildings. Instead people stayed quiet until it happened. Just like people now are saying they don't think this plan is worth talking about until it happens.

Sitting here now and saying well we let Israel destroy the place, might as well let Israel move them all on because there is nothing left there now 🤷🏻‍♀️ Well that's just what Israel were hoping would happen all along. Congrats that's how ethnic cleansing is enabled.

"Life in Gaza is difficult"...understatement of the century...

I would expect Israel to allow aid organisations full access and allow the passage of aid and building materials into Gaza and that eventually some form of life could resume. What alternative is there?

In an ideal world more people would have spoken up a long time ago when it became clear that Israel were destroying Gaza piece by piece, home by home, hospital by hospital etc. They said at the start of the conflict that this was their plan. You only have to look at aerial footage of Gaza to see the wanton destruction they have caused. Hamas were never in all of those homes, never in the all of that land used for crops, it's an impossibility. The IDF have filmed themselves leisurely bulldozing homes and crops and setting fire to buildings. Instead people stayed quiet until it happened. Just like people now are saying they don't think this plan is worth talking about until it happens.

Sitting here now and saying well we let Israel destroy the place, might as well let Israel move them all on because there is nothing left there now 🤷🏻‍♀️ Well that's just what Israel were hoping would happen all along. Congrats that's how ethnic cleansing is enabled.

In concentration camps, Jews were taken in their hundreds of thousands from their homes all over Europe for the purpose of being imprisoned or murdered as a way of ensuring their race ceased to exist.

All their possessions were taken from them, they were in most cases ripped from their family and forced to live in overcrowded, disease-ridden barracks, starved to the edge of death - and often beyond it.

I’m sure you’ve seen the photographs of their skeletal bodies. About 1 million starved to death.

Beatings, torture, forced labour, and arbitrary execution were routine. Many camps, like Auschwitz, weren’t just prisons - they were factories of death, where gas chambers and crematoria were used to murder thousands daily. Prisoners were stripped of their names, identities, and dignity, reduced to numbers in a system designed to erase their very existence.

So no - this does not “walk like a duck.”

It does not act like a duck.

Calling Gaza a concentration camp is not just a false comparison - it’s Holocaust reductionism at best, and at worst, a deeply calculated insult that tries to equate Jews with those who exterminated them.

I really hope when people do this it's accidental - like a kind of thoughtlessness where they're expressing their frustration by trying to use the worst words and language they can, but I think they need to reflect that they are twisting the knife in the deepest wound of Jewish history.

Yes, life in Gaza is difficult. But in concentration camps, people didn’t go home to their families at night. They didn’t attend school, university, or weddings. They didn’t have houses, malls, cafés, or beaches. They didn’t swim in pools or go for a day at the beach. They didn't have graduation ceremonies or poster on their walls. They languished in filth, starved, and were systematically destroyed.

I really hope you and anyone reading this can take this on board. It really pains me to read these sorts of things. I am not Jewish, but I got my degree in Genocide Studies and spent a very, very long time reading the horrors of the Holocaust and I do not feel there is any comparison of any kind to be made.

As I said, Gaza is a warzone and people will need to live somewhere. In my view they should be moved out of Gaza for it to be reconstructed, as this is simply best for the population and in particular the children, but many would classify this logical action as "ethnic cleansing". Hopefully at least those who wish to leave will be given that option.

The issue isn't with people choosing to move to allow Gaza to be rebuilt and then returning to a lovely new shiny Gaza. The issue with people being forced to leave whether that is by literal force or by being locked up in a camp and being told its this or you leave. There is also the huge issue with the lack of trust in Israel, you would surely be a fool to believe that a country whose government openly declare their want for ethnic cleansing and whose voters support this view would allow Palestinians to return once they have left, why would they, they openly want them gone, a lot want them all dead. Not to mention the present situation in the West Bank where people are afraid to leave their homes unattended at all in case an Israeli decides to move in.

It's a lovely idea, off you go for a little bit and come back to lovely new homes but on a list of things that it is never going to happen that has to be right at the top. There is a culture within Israel of settlements and land grabbing, there is no reason to believe with the rapid expansion of violence and settlements in the West Bank that suddenly Israel have changed their mind on this.