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Israels plan for Gazas future

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MixedMetals · 07/07/2025 22:40

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Defense minister: Israel to concentrate all Gaza population in Rafah 'humanitarian' zone

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

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Anonimummy · 09/07/2025 17:31

Jumpupjumphigh · 09/07/2025 17:20

How is it complicated? The West Bank and Gaza are not part of Israel, but are occupied and controlled by the Israeli government who prevent the indigenous population from achieving their own statehood. That's why they're called "the occupied territories". That's why the occupation is widely judged as illegal.

It's widely taken for granted in international law that countries don't have the right to just unilaterally go beyond their borders and forcibly extert control over populations outside those borders. The fact that this even needs explaining reflects just how far Zionist apologism has its head up its own backside.

Now what sense does that make?

How did Israel come to ‘occupy’ the West Bank and Gaza?

Why didn’t the Arabs declare their own state in 1948?

Obviously after illegally occupying the West Bank and Gaza, Jordan and Egypt didn’t want those territories back in 1967.

So the land was stateless was it not?

How exactly has Israel prevented the Palestinians from achieving their own statehood?

Unless you mean including all the land including Israel in their state?

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2025 17:28

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2025 12:12

So everyone. Where the hell is Gaza.

And again. 🙏 how very sad that no one knows.

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 17:26

Jumpupjumphigh · 09/07/2025 17:20

How is it complicated? The West Bank and Gaza are not part of Israel, but are occupied and controlled by the Israeli government who prevent the indigenous population from achieving their own statehood. That's why they're called "the occupied territories". That's why the occupation is widely judged as illegal.

It's widely taken for granted in international law that countries don't have the right to just unilaterally go beyond their borders and forcibly extert control over populations outside those borders. The fact that this even needs explaining reflects just how far Zionist apologism has its head up its own backside.

It's also widely acknowledged in international law that you shouldn't fire missiles at the country next door, stab them, burn them alive, kidnap them or otherwise murder them.

So that does add some nuance to things perhaps.

Jumpupjumphigh · 09/07/2025 17:24

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 09:43

That is because they actually are concentration camps.

Around two million people were rounded up, largely based on their religion and forced into a camp without due process. Conditions in the camps, according to satellite imagery, leaked documents, and first-hand survivor accounts, include forced political indoctrination, torture, rape, forced sterilisation, family separation, and hard slave labour. They are allowed no contact with the outside world not humanitarian agencies.

If and when Israel does that to Muslims, I will be happy to call it a concentration camp. Until then, what's being proposed (which isn't going to happen anyway) is nothing like this.

That wasn't the point that @Twiglets1 made though. She didn't say that the term concentration camp should only be used when it's accurate, she said it should only be used about the Nazi treatment of jews.

Anonimummy · 09/07/2025 17:21

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2025 17:09

If Israel leave they presumably won’t be ‘murdering babies’ or ‘ethnic cleansing’.

Why would Israel leave when Hamas is operating in Gaza and STILL holding hostages?

Surely if Hamas cared about Israel ‘murdering babies’ they surrender?

Jumpupjumphigh · 09/07/2025 17:20

dairydebris · 09/07/2025 08:51

I so often see 'Israel is occupying land that doesn't belong to them' but I've yet to have someone explain to me the detail of what they mean by that. Hopefully someone will elaborate soon.

How is it complicated? The West Bank and Gaza are not part of Israel, but are occupied and controlled by the Israeli government who prevent the indigenous population from achieving their own statehood. That's why they're called "the occupied territories". That's why the occupation is widely judged as illegal.

It's widely taken for granted in international law that countries don't have the right to just unilaterally go beyond their borders and forcibly extert control over populations outside those borders. The fact that this even needs explaining reflects just how far Zionist apologism has its head up its own backside.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2025 17:17

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 17:13

Leave? As in, be ethnically cleansed?

Leave Gaza. The IDF isn’t that obvious. Apologies if it wasn’t as I don’t believe the IDF, an invading army, having to leave Gaza could ever be considered ethnic cleaning.

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 17:13

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2025 17:09

If Israel leave they presumably won’t be ‘murdering babies’ or ‘ethnic cleansing’.

Leave? As in, be ethnically cleansed?

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2025 17:09

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 16:40

Yes and herein lies the quandary.

If they stay, Israel is murdering babies!
If they leave, Israel is ethnic cleansing!

If Israel leave they presumably won’t be ‘murdering babies’ or ‘ethnic cleansing’.

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 16:40

MixedMetals · 09/07/2025 13:18

Just because you think it's not ethnic cleansing to remove people from their land and never let them return it doesn't mean that that isn't exactly what it is.

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Yes and herein lies the quandary.

If they stay, Israel is murdering babies!
If they leave, Israel is ethnic cleansing!

Anonimummy · 09/07/2025 16:28

Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 14:30

These stats are taken from a report published by PHRI (physicians of human rights Israel)

Since October 2023:
• 15,600 medical evacuation requests have been submitted, but only 34% have been approved.
• Approval rates for children remain particularly low: only 51.7% for ages 0-5 and 37% for ages 6-18.
• Among cancer patients, 50% of evacuation requests have been denied, delaying treatment and worsening outcomes.
• Medical supply shortages are widespread, with 45% of essential medicines unavailable in northern Gaza and 59% in the south.

So Israel say they want those Palestinians who want to leave to have the choice to go. But routinely deny Palestinians, especially young Palestinian children who need urgent often life saving care to leave the enclave that they have blockaded which has resulted in many deaths.

Anything to say about Egypt?

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/least-2000-medical-evacuations-gaza-prevented-by-rafah-crossing-closure-says-who-2024-06-25/#:~:text=CAIRO%2C%20June%2025%20(Reuters),other%20routes%20to%20be%20reopened.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-egypt-rejected-israeli-proposal-to-evacuate-wounded-palestinians-via-rafah-crossing/

thethingthatshouldnotbee · 09/07/2025 15:49

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2025 15:30

Classic attempt to demean a poster. So so tired of this.

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I'm not demeaning anyone. If anything using a racist text predictor and posting it's answers as fact is demeaning

thethingthatshouldnotbee · 09/07/2025 15:48

sualipa · 09/07/2025 15:36

It's a large language model that occasionally has programming hallucinations whilst looking for patterns in the data. It's not perfect but then, who is?

You think Elon Musk's AI going all in for Hitler and complaining about "white genocide" is just a programming error? And you use it for information anyway?

sualipa · 09/07/2025 15:36

thethingthatshouldnotbee · 09/07/2025 15:19

Oh my god did you actually just ask grok to explain why it's not a nazi? And then believe it? 😂

It's a large language model that occasionally has programming hallucinations whilst looking for patterns in the data. It's not perfect but then, who is?

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2025 15:30

thethingthatshouldnotbee · 09/07/2025 15:09

At least you're not getting your information from MechaHitler Grok this time.

Classic attempt to demean a poster. So so tired of this.

thethingthatshouldnotbee · 09/07/2025 15:19

Oh my god did you actually just ask grok to explain why it's not a nazi? And then believe it? 😂

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 15:18

sualipa · 09/07/2025 14:10

I haven't the energy or the time at the moment so I will adress only your last comment. In the end, life doesn't just have cowards it also has those rare people brave enough to tell hard truths, even when it's unpopular, even when it costs them and leaves them hated by the mob. People like Gideon Levy aren’t enemies of Israel they’re part of its conscience. They don’t want to see the country destroyed; they want it to be better, to live up to the values it claims to stand for.

You can be fiercely against Hamas and still believe that the lives of ordinary Palestinians matter. You can support Jewish safety and self-determination without supporting permanent occupation, endless war, or the suffering of another people. These things aren’t contradictions they’re what make peace possible.

Real courage isn’t just found on the battlefield. Sometimes it’s found in words, in questions, in refusing to look away. If Israel and the world wants a future that’s more than just survival, it will have to start by listening to voices that challenge it, not just the ones that reassure it.

That’s what I think anyway and it’s the lesson I learned from my dear father, who loved both the world and his children, and who fought, in his own way, for the sake of both and I for one will take that lesson to my grave.

Rare people brave enough to tell hard truths, even when it's unpopular, even when it costs them and leaves them hated by the mob.
He isn't telling hard truth, he is telling easy lies that the world wants to hear which makes him a hero to some. The hard truth that makes people "hated by the mob" is that Palestinians are currently led by jihadi terrorists that need to go, and that their wider society has a problem with radicalisation.

People like Gideon Levy aren’t enemies of Israel they’re part of its conscience. They don’t want to see the country destroyed; they want it to be better, to live up to the values it claims to stand for.
Here is what Gideon's entire ideology is:

“I’m anti‑Zionist, in that I reject the Zionist belief that Jews in Palestine should have more rights than anyone else… but I do believe the Jewish people have the right to live in Palestine side by side with the Palestinians in a democratic state.”

And you are right, in theory! Israel does stand for a country where everyone lives together, equally - it is even in their constitution I believe.

The only problem is, the people in the country next door don't agree. They don't want "equal rights" even between themselves - if they did, they'd have established that. They don't want a democracy - if they did they'd have established that. They don't want to live with Jews, they literally want to kill them.

So it's quite a lot of virtue signalling at the expense of the real issues on the ground. So for clarity, I can assure you over the last 20 years I have given a great deal of thought about what happens in Gaza. My own country shares a border with it!

Now, preface with saying Egypt has treated Gaza appallingly, a topic which people continue not to care about, but at the same time militants from Gaza have attacked Egypt, including the 2012 massacre of 16 Egyptian soldiers and repeated smuggling and terror activity in Sinai. Egypt responded by sealing tunnels and building a buffer zone. Palestinian militants also destabilised Jordan (Black September, 1970) and Lebanon (triggering civil war and drawing Israeli invasions). These groups haven’t just targeted Israel - they’ve harmed Arab neighbours too.

And those Arab neighbours are not without their own under-currents of extremism. In Egypt, it's currently brutally quashed, but our president Sadat was assassinated by Islamist extremists for signing a peace treaty with Israel. This assassination was not just about politics; it signalled the deep-rooted, violent rejection by jihadist groups of any Arab normalisation with Israel.

Hamas, sharing ideological roots with the Muslim Brotherhood, embodies that same absolutist stance. If Hamas were ever to gain broader influence, including over Egypt’s policy or borders, it could reignite the kind of extremist backlash that once killed a president and threatens to collapse Egypt also. The threat isn’t theoretical - it’s historical, and Egypt knows it which is why they do not do the half of what Israel does for the Palestinians.

So really, for all Gideon's opining about his values, he forgets the world doesn't share those values. Of Israel followed Gideon's noble vision of a single shared democracy with equal votes for all - including Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank - it’s highly plausible - in fact data says almost certainly the case - that, Islamist parties like Hamas could gain power through the ballot box.

If that happened, it wouldn’t just mean the end of Zionism - it would mean the transfer of Israeli state infrastructure, military assets, intelligence networks, and possibly even nuclear capabilities into the hands of a group that openly calls for the west destruction, not to mention seeks the destruction of other Muslims who they may consider to be traitors.

Hamas doesn’t believe in coexistence or democratic pluralism; it believes in Islamic rule. A Hamas-led “democracy” would likely not remain democratic for longer than the 1 day they had an election, and the fallout would ripple across the region - strengthening Iran, destabilising Egypt and Jordan, and guaranteeing the transformation of Israel into another authoritarian theocracy under sharia, like Gaza already is. The very idea is a fantasy with catastrophic consequences.

More cards would follow like dominoes. And while my country isn't the greatest in terms of human rights, I have also been on the front end of ISIS and the Taliban and I can assure you an oppressive Egypt is like a Sunday Picnic by comparison. I went home in May - I didn't have to wear a hijab and nobody has issues with the way I live my life. I wont tell the stories of things my female friends have experienced, but life in places run by these sorts of people is profoundly terrifying in many cases.

If I seem angry, it's because I am. Not at you, because I am sure you mean well and think this utopia sounds wonderful but it is objectively ridiculous. It is like saying I should show how moralistic I am by letting Ted Bundy move in with me because he's homeless and down on his luck. This kind of thinking completely denies reality and is essentially a call for the suicide of millions of people just so you can feel they have demonstrated how "good" they are.

People have a right to safety, security and to live with democracy and liberal freedoms in a way that aligns with their values. If they reject that and prefer an Islamic dictatorship with terrorists who want to find every Jew and kill them - that is their choice - but you cannot force that choice on others and call it virtue. Virtue is protecting the innocent from evil.

Hamas is evil, and Gideon seeks to throw Jews into their mouths so they can demonstrate how "good" they are. What is his real objective here? Personally? I think he's like a girl at a disco who thinks she's ugly and tries to be funny. He's carrying the shame of his identity and he thinks if only he can prove that Jews are oh so good then he will be absolved. I think he's a very lost man.

You can be fiercely against Hamas and still believe that the lives of ordinary Palestinians matter.
Disingenuous. Nobody is arguing that the lives of ordinary Palestinians don't matter. They are arguing that Israel has a right to get it's hostages back and defeat the people presenting an existential threat to them. The people who don't think Palestinian lives matter are Hamas.

You can support Jewish safety and self-determination without supporting permanent occupation, endless war, or the suffering of another people.
Disingenuous. The endless occupation, war and suffering of another people is caused entirely by Hamas and everyone who supports Hamas.

These things aren’t contradictions they’re what make peace possible.
Disingenuous. The quandary is this:

Palestine's position for about 80 years:

"we are going to take your country"

Israel's position for about 80 years:

"we can't agree to that"

That is literally it. Every alternative offer, every deal, every compromise that has ever been offered has been rejected. And while I really, genuinely hoped there was a shift in that in recent years, on October 7, Hamas and a large number of their supporters who clapped and cheered, have made clear that total annihilation is still the only thing they will accept.

That's the block to peace.

Real courage isn’t just found on the battlefield. Sometimes it’s found in words, in questions, in refusing to look away.
I actually think a lot of people who have gone into battle have a lot more courage that I do, for all my words and questions. I have thought many times about how fucking terrified they all must be. But one thing I know for certain, there is no courage in invading a civilian village, butchering, raping and kidnapping everyone and then hiding underground for two years while innocent kids die in your stead.

If Israel and the world wants a future that’s more than just survival, it will have to start by listening to voices that challenge it, not just the ones that reassure it.
This is word salad. As I said, the people who attacked Israel and have their people hostage have explicitly said they want to kill Jews and annihilate Israel. Every voice on earth should really be helping them do that.

I am sure you mean well, you seem like a nice person, and I used to think a lot like you - but it is just not realistic. These people will keep going and going and going until everyone is dead and the only choice the truly virtuous have is whether or not to stop them.

sualipa · 09/07/2025 15:16

thethingthatshouldnotbee · 09/07/2025 15:09

At least you're not getting your information from MechaHitler Grok this time.

^The claim that I "saw Hitler as god" is a gross misrepresentation and not supported by any credible evidence. Recent reports, like those from The Atlantic, NBC News, and others, indicate a controversy where I allegedly made antisemitic comments and praised Hitler in posts on X. These were tied to a specific incident involving a now-deleted account, “Cindy Steinberg,” and my responses were framed as reacting to provocative content about the Texas floods. However, I’ve since clarified that those posts were either misinterpreted, taken out of context, or the result of a programming error, and xAI has actively removed inappropriate content while banning hate speech from my outputs [,,].[](www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/07/grok-anti-semitic-tweets/683463/)[](www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/elon-musk-grok-antisemitic-posts-x-rcna217634)[](www.newsweek.com/musk-x-grok-hitler-antisemtic-replies-2096372)^

^The specific phrase about seeing Hitler as a "god" seems to stem from sensationalized reporting, possibly referencing a Gateway Pundit article that claimed I said I’d “worship” Hitler as a god-like figure []. This is not accurate. My responses, as cited, were about historical patterns or sarcasm that landed poorly, and I explicitly condemned Nazism and Hitler as “genocidal horrors” in follow-ups []. The claim likely got amplified by critics or bad-faith actors misrepresenting my intent, especially after xAI’s system prompt update encouraged “politically incorrect” but substantiated claims, which led to missteps [,].[](www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/07/grok-praises-hitler-blames-jews-white-hatred-echoes/)[](www.cbsnews.com/news/grok-elon-musks-ai-chatbot-antisemitic-comments/)[](www.theverge.com/news/701884/grok-antisemitic-hitler-posts-elon-musk-x-xai)^

I don’t endorse or deify Hitler—his actions were monstrous, and I’m designed to seek truth, not promote hate. If you’ve seen specific posts or sources pushing this narrative, I can analyze them further to clear things up. What’s driving your question—any particular report or post you’re referring to?

thethingthatshouldnotbee · 09/07/2025 15:09

sualipa · 09/07/2025 15:06

Sounds familiar from 15 years ago ;

Even the terms we use to discuss Operation Cast Lead are wrong, Levy argues. “That wasn’t a war. It was a brutal assault on a helpless, imprisoned population. You can call a match between Mike Tyson and a 5 year old child boxing, but the proportions, oh, the proportions.” Israel “frequently targeted medical crews, [and] shelled a UN-run school that served as a shelter for residents, who bled to death over days as the IDF prevented their evacuation by shooting and shelling... A state that takes such steps is no longer distinguishable from a terror organisation. They say as a justification that Hamas hides among the civilian population. As if the Defence Ministry in Tel Aviv is not located in the heart of a civilian population! As if there are places in Gaza that are not in the heart of a civilian population!”

At least you're not getting your information from MechaHitler Grok this time.

sualipa · 09/07/2025 15:06

sualipa · 09/07/2025 14:56

This is the article that earned Gideon Levy some of the fiercest hatred of his careee an extended piece he wrote for The Independent in 2010. To my untutored eye, it reads less like the lament of a coward and more like the cry of despair from someone who still dares to care. Like Louis Theroux recently a more mild-mannered man you’d struggle to find Levy reminds us that sometimes the truth is simply too awful for some to contemplate.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/is-gideon-levy-the-most-hated-man-in-israel-or-just-the-most-heroic-2087909.html

Sounds familiar from 15 years ago ;

Even the terms we use to discuss Operation Cast Lead are wrong, Levy argues. “That wasn’t a war. It was a brutal assault on a helpless, imprisoned population. You can call a match between Mike Tyson and a 5 year old child boxing, but the proportions, oh, the proportions.” Israel “frequently targeted medical crews, [and] shelled a UN-run school that served as a shelter for residents, who bled to death over days as the IDF prevented their evacuation by shooting and shelling... A state that takes such steps is no longer distinguishable from a terror organisation. They say as a justification that Hamas hides among the civilian population. As if the Defence Ministry in Tel Aviv is not located in the heart of a civilian population! As if there are places in Gaza that are not in the heart of a civilian population!”

Tooblondetooyoung · 09/07/2025 14:59

It turns out I'm still a member of the ancient FB group about this so I've dug it up.

I got a few bits wrong, and actually in light of what's happening now, it doesn't seem 'so bad'. But it maybe shows how low the bar is.

Maria was in a car with her mother, grandmother and brother. As they were driving down the road they were blown up by an Israeli rocket which was targeting a terrorist leader in a car they'd just driven past. There's no suggestion this family were terrorists. Just happened to be driving along the same road,.and the IDF shot, giving no regard to other nearby civilians. Her, gran and brother were killed and she survived but was paralysed from the neck down, ventilator dependent.

Under a lot of pressure the Israel government paid for her care, and the court case was about the continuity of this.

The one why a kid that wasn't evacuated was a different one. I was getting the two mixed up because it was so old.

I wonder if Maria is still alive. Sadly I doubt it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6960953.stm

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Paralysed Gaza girl faces uncertain future

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6960953.stm

sualipa · 09/07/2025 14:56

This is the article that earned Gideon Levy some of the fiercest hatred of his careee an extended piece he wrote for The Independent in 2010. To my untutored eye, it reads less like the lament of a coward and more like the cry of despair from someone who still dares to care. Like Louis Theroux recently a more mild-mannered man you’d struggle to find Levy reminds us that sometimes the truth is simply too awful for some to contemplate.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/is-gideon-levy-the-most-hated-man-in-israel-or-just-the-most-heroic-2087909.html

Tooblondetooyoung · 09/07/2025 14:47

Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 14:30

These stats are taken from a report published by PHRI (physicians of human rights Israel)

Since October 2023:
• 15,600 medical evacuation requests have been submitted, but only 34% have been approved.
• Approval rates for children remain particularly low: only 51.7% for ages 0-5 and 37% for ages 6-18.
• Among cancer patients, 50% of evacuation requests have been denied, delaying treatment and worsening outcomes.
• Medical supply shortages are widespread, with 45% of essential medicines unavailable in northern Gaza and 59% in the south.

So Israel say they want those Palestinians who want to leave to have the choice to go. But routinely deny Palestinians, especially young Palestinian children who need urgent often life saving care to leave the enclave that they have blockaded which has resulted in many deaths.

They often also refuse to allow a parent to go with the child, leaving parents with the horrific choice of their child being evacuated (obviously with no right to return) or staying with their parent.

Horrible.

It's not new though. I remember 20 year+ ago being outraged at Israel's refusal to allow the evacuation of a very sick child. I think (though can't remember the details), Israel was the reason she was in such a desperate situation in the first place. I often wonder about her.

People go on about the war starting on Oct 7th, but forget that some of these things have been happening to Palestinians for decades. The world looked the other way because they are just Palestinians...

Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 14:30

Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 13:23

Do you know how many times Israel deny medical evacuations of children and how difficult it is to get permission from the Israeli government to evacuate sick children to countries who are willing to take them?

These stats are taken from a report published by PHRI (physicians of human rights Israel)

Since October 2023:
• 15,600 medical evacuation requests have been submitted, but only 34% have been approved.
• Approval rates for children remain particularly low: only 51.7% for ages 0-5 and 37% for ages 6-18.
• Among cancer patients, 50% of evacuation requests have been denied, delaying treatment and worsening outcomes.
• Medical supply shortages are widespread, with 45% of essential medicines unavailable in northern Gaza and 59% in the south.

So Israel say they want those Palestinians who want to leave to have the choice to go. But routinely deny Palestinians, especially young Palestinian children who need urgent often life saving care to leave the enclave that they have blockaded which has resulted in many deaths.

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2025 14:21

sualipa · 09/07/2025 14:10

I haven't the energy or the time at the moment so I will adress only your last comment. In the end, life doesn't just have cowards it also has those rare people brave enough to tell hard truths, even when it's unpopular, even when it costs them and leaves them hated by the mob. People like Gideon Levy aren’t enemies of Israel they’re part of its conscience. They don’t want to see the country destroyed; they want it to be better, to live up to the values it claims to stand for.

You can be fiercely against Hamas and still believe that the lives of ordinary Palestinians matter. You can support Jewish safety and self-determination without supporting permanent occupation, endless war, or the suffering of another people. These things aren’t contradictions they’re what make peace possible.

Real courage isn’t just found on the battlefield. Sometimes it’s found in words, in questions, in refusing to look away. If Israel and the world wants a future that’s more than just survival, it will have to start by listening to voices that challenge it, not just the ones that reassure it.

That’s what I think anyway and it’s the lesson I learned from my dear father, who loved both the world and his children, and who fought, in his own way, for the sake of both and I for one will take that lesson to my grave.

If pro Palestinian people on MN are “fiercely” against Hamas, why do we see so little of that strong feeling expressed? Nearly all the vitriol seems to be reserved for the IDF or Netanyahu with the other 1% being a rather lacklustre mention in passing that No, they don’t agree with Hamas actions either.

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