Israels plan for Gazas future

It's funny because I have seen you on posts where proganda like that has been spread, the pregnant woman one is particularly used on here and you never call them disturbing then. You never say anything at all when people are talking about how awful Hamas are for doing that. I'll be sure to watch out for you correcting such awful things in future.

Well if people don't think Israel has the right to defend themselves from Hamas then that is just antisemitic (and I'm not a person who throws that term around often at all, this may be the first time).

We might disagree on these boards about whether Israel still should be attacking Hamas so long after October 7th 2023.

But to suggest that a country doesn't have the right to defend itself against terrorists at all ... that's a new low.

But so are you. You have posted information just now which is outdated by a year. You posts things that suit your narrative. You now think Israel should have the right to defend itself from Hamas, because that’s what YOU now believe. Not everyone agrees with you, and you don’t seem to want to accept this. I find your posts on critical thinking, quite frankly, insulting. Not everyone is an idiot. And some people might know just as much as you. Accept it and move on.

Just to be clear, you don't think Israel has the right to defend itself from Hamss. Is that what you are saying?

Forges' knowledge is demonstrably far superior to anyone else's here.

So I'm not allowed to talk about where the fake news in this conflict started because it was so long ago? Oct 7 2023 was so long ago that we just shouldn't talk about what happened and what was reported at the time?

But so are you. You have posted information just now which is outdated by a year. You posts things that suit your narrative. You now think Israel should have the right to defend itself from Hamas, because that’s what YOU now believe. Not everyone agrees with you, and you don’t seem to want to accept this. I find your posts on critical thinking, quite frankly, insulting. Not everyone is an idiot. And some people might know just as much as you. Accept it and move on.

It's interesting that people suddenly learn to fact check when they don't like the information.

You're right that the specific UNOSAT report I shared is from September 2024, but it's still considered reliable because it contains the most detailed breakdown available.

Since then, several updates- including one in April 2025 -have confirmed that destruction has continued, especially in areas like Rafah but on a hugely smaller scale.

While newer data shows the overall percentage of damaged structures has risen slightly (to around 69% from 66%), the proportion of buildings that are completely destroyed remains broadly consistent, estimated at around 20%, which is only an imcrease of 0.2% from the full report.

So although the report is several months old, its key conclusions are still valid and in line with more recent assessments from the UN and other sources. It is also the source data used by UNRWA, so if you don't like my facts, perhaps you should discard theirs too.

I didn't deliberately pick the most dreadful. I deliberately picked the most oft repeated. The ones we still see repeated today by people who read what made it into headline news and who never saw the corrections, if there were any.

But so are you. You have posted information just now which is outdated by a year. You posts things that suit your narrative. You now think Israel should have the right to defend itself from Hamas, because that’s what YOU now believe. Not everyone agrees with you, and you don’t seem to want to accept this. I find your posts on critical thinking, quite frankly, insulting. Not everyone is an idiot. And some people might know just as much as you. Accept it and move on.

You said that multiple toddlers had been stabbed to death in a kindergarten or playschool or somewhere. Something that was propaganda being spread at the beginning of this conflict. The rest was propaganda being spread by others including the president of the US.

Okay, but you just posted "90% of Gaza is demolished" when there's freely available information online that confirms its estimated ~66% of builds have been damaged and ~30% of those are demolished.

So it's not true that 90% of Gaza is demolished, the true data estimates approximately 19% of all buildings in Gaza are estimated to be completely destroyed. Which is a massive difference isn't it?

Facts really do matter. People seem to be more interested in demonising than assessing the reality. They're trying IMO to take something bad and shape the narrative to make it sound worse.

The destruction is catastrophic. Increased massively by the fact Israel is trying to destroy a tunnel network longer than average cities metro as they go, in one of the most densely built up areas on earth, in which there's a vast number of booby traps set.

Compared with other brutal urban conflicts, in cities like Grozny 60–70% were demolished, in Mariupol 50–60%, in Dresden ~75% of the city centre, in Aleppo 33–40%. So it's bad, but 19% is starkly different from 90%.

If it's the worst war ever, why the need to always embellish? I've never seen that happen before with any conflict.

I was replying to this. Those stories were the beginning of that in this conflict wasn't it? Straight out of the gate Biden was standing on stage repeating dreadful 'embellished' stories. Social media and newspapers were awash with these stories that never happened from day dot.

Posters here still regularly repeat them, like the poster I was replying to did. The story of the toddlers killed in the playschool.

That's dated nearly a year ago.
There has been intense shelling and airstrikes in the past year

Okay, but you just posted "90% of Gaza is demolished" when there's freely available information online that confirms its estimated ~66% of builds have been damaged and ~30% of those are demolished.

So it's not true that 90% of Gaza is demolished, the true data estimates approximately 19% of all buildings in Gaza are estimated to be completely destroyed. Which is a massive difference isn't it?

Facts really do matter. People seem to be more interested in demonising than assessing the reality. They're trying IMO to take something bad and shape the narrative to make it sound worse.

The destruction is catastrophic. Increased massively by the fact Israel is trying to destroy a tunnel network longer than average cities metro as they go, in one of the most densely built up areas on earth, in which there's a vast number of booby traps set.

Compared with other brutal urban conflicts, in cities like Grozny 60–70% were demolished, in Mariupol 50–60%, in Dresden ~75% of the city centre, in Aleppo 33–40%. So it's bad, but 19% is starkly different from 90%.

Okay, but you just posted "90% of Gaza is demolished" when there's freely available information online that confirms its estimated ~66% of builds have been damaged and ~30% of those are demolished.

So it's not true that 90% of Gaza is demolished, the true data estimates approximately 19% of all buildings in Gaza are estimated to be completely destroyed. Which is a massive difference isn't it?

Facts really do matter. People seem to be more interested in demonising than assessing the reality. They're trying IMO to take something bad and shape the narrative to make it sound worse.

The destruction is catastrophic. Increased massively by the fact Israel is trying to destroy a tunnel network longer than average cities metro as they go, in one of the most densely built up areas on earth, in which there's a vast number of booby traps set.

Compared with other brutal urban conflicts, in cities like Grozny 60–70% were demolished, in Mariupol 50–60%, in Dresden ~75% of the city centre, in Aleppo 33–40%. So it's bad, but 19% is starkly different from 90%.

No I don’t. But I don’t agree with much of the narrative that goes on this board either. And I’m sick to death of people thinking they know it all, throwing the same old shit out every day, and asking me to hold a mirror up to myself for self-reflection, or critical bloody thinking. I have a degree and two Masters. I am well able to do critical thinking and self-reflect.

And the last data collected in this analysis was July 6th 2024. @ForgesOfEmpires do you think the data is the same as 12 months ago?

That's dated nearly a year ago.
There has been intense shelling and airstrikes in the past year