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Israels plan for Gazas future

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MixedMetals · 07/07/2025 22:40

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Defense minister: Israel to concentrate all Gaza population in Rafah 'humanitarian' zone

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

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Twiglets1 · 11/07/2025 23:19

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 23:15

I couldn’t give a flying fuck how Israel will feel in the future. I am telling you, from my own experience that the GenZ’s that I know, and due to my job, I know a lot, will not forget this quickly.

Wow you have the ability to see into the future and read people's minds there too.

What are Gen Zs going to do to make Israel sorry in future? Boycott buying their avocados?

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 23:19

SharonEllis · 11/07/2025 23:14

Oh dear. You said that you didn't think Hamas was Israel's problem. The only way that can be true is if Hamas has been defeated. Now you say you don't know if Hamas has been defeated. Yet you're sure they aren't a problem for Israel any more? You can see that makes no sense, can't you?

No. I can’t. I think Bibi has created a whole load more problems globally for the Jewish people. And if you are trying to goad me so that you can then stand on your soap box and call me anti-semitic, then go ahead. I really CBA.

SharonEllis · 11/07/2025 23:17

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 23:15

I couldn’t give a flying fuck how Israel will feel in the future. I am telling you, from my own experience that the GenZ’s that I know, and due to my job, I know a lot, will not forget this quickly.

I think its very obvious that you don't have any empathy whatsoever for Israelis but at least you are clear about that.

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 23:15

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2025 23:12

You can think it's a bit trite if you want. And I will continue to think you are falling into the trap of wishful thinking that Israel will be sorry at some unspecified point in the future because you're unhappy that they aren't sorry now.

I couldn’t give a flying fuck how Israel will feel in the future. I am telling you, from my own experience that the GenZ’s that I know, and due to my job, I know a lot, will not forget this quickly.

SharonEllis · 11/07/2025 23:14

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 23:11

How could I possibly know? Do you?

Oh dear. You said that you didn't think Hamas was Israel's problem. The only way that can be true is if Hamas has been defeated. Now you say you don't know if Hamas has been defeated. Yet you're sure they aren't a problem for Israel any more? You can see that makes no sense, can't you?

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2025 23:12

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 23:09

I think that’s a bit trite to be honest. I think the GenZ’s aren’t going to forget this in a hurry. Certainly none of the ones I know.

You can think it's a bit trite if you want. And I will continue to think you are falling into the trap of wishful thinking that Israel will be sorry at some unspecified point in the future because you're unhappy that they aren't sorry now.

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 23:11

SharonEllis · 11/07/2025 23:09

Because its not my question
Do you believe Hamas has been completely defeated and no longer poses a threat to Istael?

How could I possibly know? Do you?

SharonEllis · 11/07/2025 23:09

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 23:06

I think you are refusing to see what now is Israel’s standing on the world stage. Israel has done a lot of damage to its reputation. People are calling it out for what it is doing. If you don’t see that, then why keep asking?

Because its not my question
Do you believe Hamas has been completely defeated and no longer poses a threat to Istael?

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 23:09

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2025 22:49

I think that's just wishful thinking on your part.

People will move on to worrying about other wars.

Look at Germany & the UK now - close allies.

I think that’s a bit trite to be honest. I think the GenZ’s aren’t going to forget this in a hurry. Certainly none of the ones I know.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/07/2025 23:07

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veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 23:06

SharonEllis · 11/07/2025 22:56

I wasn't asking for the definition of a spade. I was asking if you think Hamas has been completely defeated and no longer poses a threat to Israel, as you said Hamas was no longer a problem for Istael

I think you are refusing to see what now is Israel’s standing on the world stage. Israel has done a lot of damage to its reputation. People are calling it out for what it is doing. If you don’t see that, then why keep asking?

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2025 23:02

ForgesOfEmpires · 11/07/2025 22:59

I explained many times.
I was busy.
It was a long post.
I meant to say in my long list that Hamas:

  1. attacked a kindergarten and
  2. killed dozens of kids, as two seperate items But it came out as one.

That shouldn't be complicated to understand. When it was pointed out I immediately apologised and clarified.

My post was about Hamas crimes that day. It listed all of them accurately aside from that one which was pretty obviously a genuine mistake as reflected by my good faith response.

I've posted endless facts on this forum and one has been shown to be false, for which I gave an explanation, apologised and corrected it.

I have corrected false claims from other posters several times - and incidentally not a single one, including on this thread - has done what I did and apologised and retracted. Which is very telling in terms of intent.

Ad hominem is the last thing left when you've got no argument.

I wouldn't bother.

The person you are trying to explain yourself to still thinks that Hamas cares about Gazans.

ForgesOfEmpires · 11/07/2025 22:59

DrPrunesqualer · 11/07/2025 22:48

Maybe you’re using AI or something and didn’t spot it ( who knows ) but it’s worth calling out don’t you think. I’m sure without noticing it you are now glad it’s been corrected. I got taken down twice for a spelling mistake so I think yours is definately worthy of correcting. Mistakes happen but it’s not bullying to call it out and people’s time is their own, what they do with it is nobodies business.

I explained many times.
I was busy.
It was a long post.
I meant to say in my long list that Hamas:

  1. attacked a kindergarten and
  2. killed dozens of kids, as two seperate items But it came out as one.

That shouldn't be complicated to understand. When it was pointed out I immediately apologised and clarified.

My post was about Hamas crimes that day. It listed all of them accurately aside from that one which was pretty obviously a genuine mistake as reflected by my good faith response.

I've posted endless facts on this forum and one has been shown to be false, for which I gave an explanation, apologised and corrected it.

I have corrected false claims from other posters several times - and incidentally not a single one, including on this thread - has done what I did and apologised and retracted. Which is very telling in terms of intent.

Ad hominem is the last thing left when you've got no argument.

SharonEllis · 11/07/2025 22:56

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 22:53

Because many people do not agree with Israels disproportionate response. And they lash out. I wouldn’t want to be blamed for Bibi’s mistakes. Unfortunately not everyone will think like that. This is not being anti-semitic. This is calling a spade a spade.

I wasn't asking for the definition of a spade. I was asking if you think Hamas has been completely defeated and no longer poses a threat to Israel, as you said Hamas was no longer a problem for Istael

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2025 22:55

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 22:53

Because many people do not agree with Israels disproportionate response. And they lash out. I wouldn’t want to be blamed for Bibi’s mistakes. Unfortunately not everyone will think like that. This is not being anti-semitic. This is calling a spade a spade.

It was lashing out against Israel that got Gaza into this mess so other people would be well advised not to repeat the same mistake.

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 22:53

SharonEllis · 11/07/2025 22:47

There you said Israel, with its disproportionate response to Hamas, has caused a shit load more problems to Israel than it was facing before October 7th. And you can thank the Israeli government for that.
That is not an answer to my question.

Because many people do not agree with Israels disproportionate response. And they lash out. I wouldn’t want to be blamed for Bibi’s mistakes. Unfortunately not everyone will think like that. This is not being anti-semitic. This is calling a spade a spade.

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2025 22:49

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 22:45

See above 22:35.

I think that's just wishful thinking on your part.

People will move on to worrying about other wars.

Look at Germany & the UK now - close allies.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/07/2025 22:48

ForgesOfEmpires · 11/07/2025 22:38

Your time could be better spent holding Hamas to account for the dozens of children they murdered than trying to bully strangers for an honest mistake on mumsnet. Dontcha think?

Maybe you’re using AI or something and didn’t spot it ( who knows ) but it’s worth calling out don’t you think. I’m sure without noticing it you are now glad it’s been corrected. I got taken down twice for a spelling mistake so I think yours is definately worthy of correcting. Mistakes happen but it’s not bullying to call it out and people’s time is their own, what they do with it is nobodies business.

SharonEllis · 11/07/2025 22:47

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 22:45

See above 22:35.

There you said Israel, with its disproportionate response to Hamas, has caused a shit load more problems to Israel than it was facing before October 7th. And you can thank the Israeli government for that.
That is not an answer to my question.

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 22:45

SharonEllis · 11/07/2025 22:40

So you think they are completely defeated now and pose no threat to Israel any more? What is your reasoning?

See above 22:35.

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2025 22:44

MixedMetals · 11/07/2025 22:29

Nope. I'm not angry either, don't try that nonsense. I was responding to a post on 'embellishing' and pointing out where it began in this conflict.

They are mentally disturbing I can't imagine who dreamt up such awful things and decided to tell the world that they happened and what their motivations behind it were? It's a pretty awful thing for people to do, spread such stories knowing that they are false.

Well please don't say them again on here because some gullible person will probably read it and think they are true!

SharonEllis · 11/07/2025 22:43

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2025 22:28

I meant why are you still trying to score points by repeating the most disgusting propaganda that none of us said about babies in ovens and on washing lines etc.

Please just stop, I'm sure I'm not the only one who found your post upsetting.

Yes, very disturbing, and quite triggering.

SharonEllis · 11/07/2025 22:40

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 22:31

I don’t believe that Hamas is Israels real problem anymore, no.

So you think they are completely defeated now and pose no threat to Israel any more? What is your reasoning?

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2025 22:40

veiledsentiments · 11/07/2025 22:37

Not what I said at all.

You said

You now think Israel should have the right to defend itself from Hamas, because that’s what YOU now believe. Not everyone agrees with you

So yes, you did say that people don't think Israel has the right to defend themselves from Hamas

ForgesOfEmpires · 11/07/2025 22:38

MixedMetals · 11/07/2025 22:23

It wasn't a typo. People don't accidently type abouts toddlers being stabbed. It's not just a coincidence that that same propaganda has been flying around since Oct 7.

Your time could be better spent holding Hamas to account for the dozens of children they murdered than trying to bully strangers for an honest mistake on mumsnet. Dontcha think?

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