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Israels plan for Gazas future

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MixedMetals · 07/07/2025 22:40

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Defense minister: Israel to concentrate all Gaza population in Rafah 'humanitarian' zone

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

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SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:49

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:46

What misinformation?

There's a saying about leading a horse to water.

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:46

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:36

Im not interested in engaging with you personally as you have admitted directly and indirectly to having prejudiced views about Israelis and Jews and no empathy for them. I am interested in your spreading of misinformation though, not for your benefit but for the benefit of others reading. I note you don't wish to engage with me or others to correct that misinformation. That's your right, of course.

What misinformation?

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:36

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:33

You said earlier this morning that you had nothing else to say to me regarding this matter. You said this to me, not the other way around. So……..

Im not interested in engaging with you personally as you have admitted directly and indirectly to having prejudiced views about Israelis and Jews and no empathy for them. I am interested in your spreading of misinformation though, not for your benefit but for the benefit of others reading. I note you don't wish to engage with me or others to correct that misinformation. That's your right, of course.

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:33

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:31

Seems to have very strategic timing for dropping out of this conversation!

You said earlier this morning that you had nothing else to say to me regarding this matter. You said this to me, not the other way around. So……..

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:31

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Perfectly happy with my thoughts on the matter thanks. You?

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:31

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Seems to have very strategic timing for dropping out of this conversation!

Insanityisnotastrategy · 12/07/2025 13:27

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veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:26

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:20

What proof are you looking for? Are the words of Abbas himself not enough?

How about that evidence that Hamas is no longer a threat to Israel please?

You said you no longer wanted to engage with me. Ditto.

ForgesOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 13:20

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:17

@ForgesOfEmpires : We will have to wait for the budget reports but I think it's safe to say he has, yet again, bull shitted the international community.

So no actual proof. Just what you believe. Again.

You think a video of Abbas saying it is not "actual proof"? Oh my actual God 😳

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:20

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:17

@ForgesOfEmpires : We will have to wait for the budget reports but I think it's safe to say he has, yet again, bull shitted the international community.

So no actual proof. Just what you believe. Again.

What proof are you looking for? Are the words of Abbas himself not enough?

How about that evidence that Hamas is no longer a threat to Israel please?

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:18

ForgesOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 13:14

@sharonellis sorry i didnt see youd already brought this up.i didnt see it anywhere in the western media but it was all over the Arabic

Funnily it didn't get very widely publicised in western media which is extraordinarily selective in what it highlights.

ForgesOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 13:18

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:14

I gave you one : Palestinians — including the families of prisoners and slain attackers — will be able to apply for welfare stipends, and bureaucrats will adjudicate whether each applicant will receive payments and how much based on economic criteria, Palestinian and US officials have told The Times of Israel.

You said: The payments were simply rerouted through a different body, the “Palestinian National Foundation for Economic Empowerment,” but the beneficiaries, eligibility, and sums remain unchanged.

I asked for proof of this. I believe earlier you said you liked to check facts. Where are the facts? How on earth can you possibly claim the sums remained unchanged unless you have access to that information?

Yes, didn't think you'd be interested in fact checking yourself so if you scroll slightly up Sharon and I both posted evidence of Abbas himself saying the sums will remain unchanged. Mime is literally the video of him saying it 😂

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:17

@ForgesOfEmpires : We will have to wait for the budget reports but I think it's safe to say he has, yet again, bull shitted the international community.

So no actual proof. Just what you believe. Again.

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:17

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:14

I gave you one : Palestinians — including the families of prisoners and slain attackers — will be able to apply for welfare stipends, and bureaucrats will adjudicate whether each applicant will receive payments and how much based on economic criteria, Palestinian and US officials have told The Times of Israel.

You said: The payments were simply rerouted through a different body, the “Palestinian National Foundation for Economic Empowerment,” but the beneficiaries, eligibility, and sums remain unchanged.

I asked for proof of this. I believe earlier you said you liked to check facts. Where are the facts? How on earth can you possibly claim the sums remained unchanged unless you have access to that information?

We have both posted above.

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:14

ForgesOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 12:45

How about you provide evidence the payments stopped? Seeing as you're the one making the claim.

I gave you one : Palestinians — including the families of prisoners and slain attackers — will be able to apply for welfare stipends, and bureaucrats will adjudicate whether each applicant will receive payments and how much based on economic criteria, Palestinian and US officials have told The Times of Israel.

You said: The payments were simply rerouted through a different body, the “Palestinian National Foundation for Economic Empowerment,” but the beneficiaries, eligibility, and sums remain unchanged.

I asked for proof of this. I believe earlier you said you liked to check facts. Where are the facts? How on earth can you possibly claim the sums remained unchanged unless you have access to that information?

ForgesOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 13:14

@sharonellis sorry i didnt see youd already brought this up.i didnt see it anywhere in the western media but it was all over the Arabic

ForgesOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 13:12

I watched the speech Abbas made at the FRC about a week after he signed the decree promising to end pay to slay, where he said:

"I stand by my word, that if we have only a single penny left, it will go to the prisoners and the martyrs. I will not allow anyone – and neither will you – to remove any commitment, interest, or penny that is given to them. They must receive everything they did in the past, and they are more honorable than all of us"

We will have to wait for the budget reports but I think it's safe to say he has, yet again, bull shitted the international community.

The speech was in Arabic but you can verify it here: https://www.memri.org/reports/palestinian-authority-president-mahmoud-abbas-fatah-revolutionary-council-session-we-will

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:00

Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 12:50

As if they were going to stop! The PA would be facing riots and worse if that happened!

Of course they have to hide it as it was becoming more widely known after focus on region due to Oct 7th. Not good PR is it and certainly doesn’t hold up to scrutiny that the ‘moderate’ PA want peace with Israel.

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Yes, pay for slay is very popular for obvious reasons.

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 12:59

For those interested in the continuation of pay for slay payments here is an article from the Wall Street Journal.

Israels plan for Gazas future
Israels plan for Gazas future
Israels plan for Gazas future
Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 12:50

ForgesOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 12:29

In February 2025, Abbas signed a decree to restructure the payments under a new name. The same families are still receiving the same amounts, just via a new mechanism.

The payments were simply rerouted through a different body, the “Palestinian National Foundation for Economic Empowerment,” but the beneficiaries, eligibility, and sums remain unchanged.

As if they were going to stop! The PA would be facing riots and worse if that happened!

Of course they have to hide it as it was becoming more widely known after focus on region due to Oct 7th. Not good PR is it and certainly doesn’t hold up to scrutiny that the ‘moderate’ PA want peace with Israel.

ForgesOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 12:45

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 12:35

@ForgesOfEmpires The payments were simply rerouted through a different body, the “Palestinian National Foundation for Economic Empowerment,” but the beneficiaries, eligibility, and sums remain unchanged.

How can you prove this? Do you have access to the information of how much each Palestinian is paid and whether it has changed or not?

How about you provide evidence the payments stopped? Seeing as you're the one making the claim.

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 12:36

ForgesOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 12:34

Maybe if I keep checking I'll find ones you like!

Maybe @veiledsentiments could reveal their insider sources fors showing us that Hamas is no longer a threat to Israel too!

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 12:35

@ForgesOfEmpires The payments were simply rerouted through a different body, the “Palestinian National Foundation for Economic Empowerment,” but the beneficiaries, eligibility, and sums remain unchanged.

How can you prove this? Do you have access to the information of how much each Palestinian is paid and whether it has changed or not?

ForgesOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 12:34

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 12:28

Think you need to check your facts a bit harder.

Maybe if I keep checking I'll find ones you like!

ForgesOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 12:29

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 12:16

Times have moved on:

In February, PA President Mahmoud Abbas signed a decree canceling legislation that established the old system, which included payments to the families of slain terrorists and the families of security prisoners held in Israeli jails, based on the length of their sentence.
The decree also established a new non-governmental body that was tasked with providing welfare payments strictly based on economic need. Palestinians — including the families of prisoners and slain attackers — will be able to apply for welfare stipends, and bureaucrats will adjudicate whether each applicant will receive payments and how much based on economic criteria, Palestinian and US officials have told The Times of Israel.

In February 2025, Abbas signed a decree to restructure the payments under a new name. The same families are still receiving the same amounts, just via a new mechanism.

The payments were simply rerouted through a different body, the “Palestinian National Foundation for Economic Empowerment,” but the beneficiaries, eligibility, and sums remain unchanged.