Israels plan for Gazas future

It’s defs there. Unless deleted, which I doubt it was. It’s a good few pages bk.

I can't see it.

It’s interesting that you describe Israel as the only truly pluralist multi ethnic/religious democratic state in the middle east. I’m not sure that I can agree with you on this matter. Firstly if you are Jewish you have the right to return as you wish and can hold dual citizenship. However, non Jewish Israeli citizens can not hold dual citizenship and have to go through a rigorous process in order to gain nationality. Land through the Jewish National Fund is almost exclusively allocated to only Jewish Israelis. There have been many reports highlighting that Arab majority areas have significantly lower government spending in public services and schooling.

Not sounding very democratic and pluralistic to me.

I’ve a post earlier in the thread.

How do our taxes support this?

You have been very clear where your sympathies lie in numerous posts and just declaring you dont support terrorists doesn't match up with what you have actually said elsewhere. But this post is very muddled. I don't think there is a mechanism to proscribe Israel internationally as terrorists, which would be ridiculous. I will always support the right of the Jewish people to live in Israel, if they wish. I will always support their right to safety and security regardless of their government and applaud them for their remarkable achievement in building the only truly pluralist multi ethnic/religious democratic state in the middle east. I don't particularly support the Prime Minister or any of the extremists in his government, not that it matters as I am not Israeli. If he is found guilty of anything in a fair trial then obviously I would support the court judgement.

@SharonEllis Looking forward to your answer:

I have never said that I support proscribed terrorist organisations. I support the terrorised Palestinian people, as they have been for decades. Will you still be supporting Israel when they are internationally proscribed as terrorists by the UN following investigations for crimes against humanity?

I’m not sure quite how naive you could be.

They should all stop now. All of them.

I think on MN, we are absolutely united on that.

Which is why those of us who think this war should never have been deliberately started in the first place also think that Hamas and their supporters should surrender snd lay down arms immediately, and women and children should have been evacuated as soon as the war started like they are in every other war.

We can all be pro children not being murdered.

We can unite on that.

Many more children murdered today. Including an unknown and unclaimed baby girl found dead on the roof of a car, after she was blown from a nearby building from a nearby building.

They don’t deserve this from any side.

Our silence and taxes support this.

Agreed. I'm not 'Pro-Israel' in terms of Netanyahu's government but the minute you question the Hamas narrative or suggest that conversation should be rooted in verfiable facts then you are practically Netanyahu himself. And the kool aid is very strong. Its actually really depressing.

I'm not even particularly pro-Israel, at least in the context of how they've conducted the war and their apparent lack of interest in dealing with their own extremists, but I agree with you about this. And I do think a lot of pro-Palestinians ultimately either want Israel gone or don't care about Israel having any kind of safe future, and it comes out when you start to question them about anything more specific than 'Israel bad'.

Wow, more eye opening posts.

Pro-Palestinians really absolutely REFUSE to even consider that the narrative they are pushing is not completely true.

Conversely pro-Israelis generally can agree that Israel has got things wrong, makes mistakes etc.

I have a great interest in human psychology and find this so interesting.

I’m not going to engage I’m afraid. I know my standards thanks.

I mean, there absolutely was what a reasonable person would recognise as proof. And why do I suspect that your evidence standards aren't quite as high if it suits you to believe it?

Well that was one small part of a differing of opinion. But there was no proof, which I was been demanded to provide, and yet none was provided back. Two sides to a coin.

Not Gaza. The pay for slay thing. Why aren't you able to change tack when you're so obviously wrong?

Been given evidence of what exactly? That my opinion of what is going on in Gaza is different to that of other people’s on here? Why is that my problem? What exactly should I be taking on board?

Well, I mean, it's not normal behaviour is it? You've been given the evidence and you're simply not able to take it on board.

Thanks for the very useful advice. Must remember to keep looking in that mirror and self-reflecting!

I think you're going down quite a few roads you shouldn't be. Might be best to step back and reflect on why you're unable/unwilling to take on information that doesn't fit your opinions.

I’m sorry if you believe that anything I have written here is not true. Everything I have written i have either prefaced with it’s what I believe, or I have provided evidence for it. If it doesn’t sit well with what you believe, then I agree, there is no point in continuing to engage.

I'd like to go in with Sharon and decline engagement with you. Your sentiments don't actually seem very veiled at all.

Abbas: "I'm not going to cut a single penny from these glorious terrorists."
Me: (shows actual video of him saying that)
You: "That's just what you believe."

Short of hacking into terrorists’ private bank accounts there is no more conclusive proof than a confession—which you have.

You’re deliberately doing this and it's very bad faith and that's me being kind. I wish there were a mute button....