Israels plan for Gazas future

Trump will do nothing. Washington go by the mantra that they trust Israel to investigate themselves. ?? The US state anyone who needs help can use consular services. 🤣🤣🤣. Thick or what!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-palestine-american-killed-west-bank-attack-b2787765.html

The West Bank will be the next site of carnage. It needs a catalyst though.

They've said they'll screen for Hamas on entry. Given with fatality numbers it's been apparent that the IDF consider adult males= Hamas, I'm worried the they'll seperate off the men.

If they do, I hope they'll take them elsewhere rather then killing all the men.

It's terrifying seeing this sort of plan being ignored by our government. Even if it doesn't happen, the fact that a concentration camp is being seriously suggested and not universally condemned is appalling. I hoped we'd learned more than this from history.

That link is Shocking @smallglassbottle. It's ethnic cleansing at its finest.

@DrPrunesqualer speaking of settlers violence I presume Trump will speak up soon about the Palestinian American beaten to death in the West Bank by settlers who then attacked the medics trying to help him.

Even if you're right (which I don't believe you are), given that Hamas are Israel's adversary in the war, then surely depriving Gazans of access to food and water in order to defund Hamas is still doing so "as an act of war".

Thank you for this link @smallglassbottle . Looking down some of the news I wonder how the IDF mistook this 14 year old girl who they shot in the back and continued to fire preventing her family from getting to her. Is she Hamas. Or is this yet another ‘mistake’ . The articles also give insight and footage of settler violence which continues daily unchecked and in fact encouraged

They need to kill as many off as possible prior to admission into the camp. From there they'll be able to cause malnutrition, disease and decline by withholding resources. I wonder if men and women will be separated, in order to prevent births. Killing children and resident doctors is a way to hasten the decline of the population. It isn't a good look to have orphaned children wandering around a camp with no one to care for them.

The surviving Palestinians will be touted around the earth to see if anyone wants to take them in. I've seen Canada put forward as a possible destination.

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/need-a-job-israel-seeks-people-to-bulldoze-the-gaza-strip/

Wasting no time in clearing The Strip!

Absolutely determined to make life so difficult for all the citizens of Gaza in every way possible

As I posted on another thread it's 32 degrees in Gaza at the moment with 60% humidity and the IDF put a warning on their social media that they couldn't go into the sea to cool off "We urge fishermen, swimmers, and divers to refrain from entering the sea. Entering the sea along the Strip exposes you to danger,”

Now the Times of Israel says the IDF have not shot anyone yet who goes to paddle in the sea but obviously a warning like that shows that could change at any time.

Combined with living in a tent and a lack of water, life must be unbearable at the moment.

Using such methods of acts of war, only work if the the enemy actually cares if their citizens don't have food or water. Hamas does not. Israel could starve every gazan child and hamas would give zero fucks. So there's no logic to your proposition.

What is far more likely is that Israel is doing what it said it was doing and removing Hamas' control over the population and ability to fund terror, by taking over aid delivery. Hamas are so angry about Israel feeding gazans that they threatened publicly to punish any citizen who took the aid. And they have done

This may have been posted but based On the OP, Ehud Olmert has actually used the words "concentration camp" to describe the plan.

People always come on these threads to try to turn the conversation from what is happening to the Palestinian people to how bad Palestinians/Arabs/Islam is.

They seem to think that pointing out that, for example, countries not having same-sex marriage means that it's acceptable to engage in the mass genocide of people from that nation/ethnicity/religion. The undertone is very much "Look at those barbarous savages. We cannot be expected to live with them and therefore they must be wiped out", which is the reasoning of all genocidaires.

The matter at hand is that what the Israeli government is planning to do to the Palestinans in Gaza is so bad, so immoral even the likes of Olmert* who oversaw the Dahiya Doctrine, thinks that it is inexcusable.

*I wonder if anyone will argue that his is not a valid opinion and he doesn't understand history.

Yes not only are they determined to control what, when, and how much Palestinian civilians can eat, they also want to make it as difficult as possible to access water. So using starvation, thirst and spread of disease as acts of war.

The Israeli army has targeted 112 freshwater filling points and destroyed 720 water wells, putting them out of service. This has deprived more than 1.25 million people of access to clean water.

Yeah, Jordan would probably be high up there. Potentially Lebanon. If you'd asked me 15y ago, I'd have said Syria, but a lot has happened in the intervening time... White Christian female btw.

However, this is getting it's distracted from the point of this thread which is to discuss the Israeli government plan to create a 'humanitarian city' which people would be forced to live in against their, and unable to leave. The camp that has been described (accurately in my view) by former Israeli PM as a concentration camp.

Dr Ahmad Atallah Quandil murdered by targeted drone strike in the last couple of nights

Gaza's most experienced surgeon he was walking home from the hospital when the stroke happened.

Wonder will that be a technical error too.

Israel uses high-tech targeting, but the density of Gaza and use of civilian areas by Hamas leads to frequent civilian deaths.

In Gaza, there’s nowhere safe to flee. The strip is densely populated and borders are mostly sealed. Israel cannot absorb a hostile population and Egypt refuses to.

In other wars (e.g. Ukraine, Afghanistan, Iraq), civilians often have options to flee to safer areas or neighbouring countries.

14 children killed in the last few days. 8 in the queue for the supplements : “The IDF regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals."

6 queuing for water : “The Israeli military said there had been a "technical error".

It’s a pattern alright.

Where? Genuinely curious?
Jordan is the only one that comes to mind. Does depend who you are though.

I'd not be in a rush to live in some of them, but there are more moderate ME countries where I'd live if I needed to. I wouldn't love in Israel for all the money in the world. I couldn't live in a society that uses it's democracy to support a regime that commits genocide and ethnic cleansing. It would be totally out of the question for me.

Interesting comments from Ehud Olmert in the Guardian today. Let’s hope more voices like his start to be heard in Israel.

Looks like more and more people are calling Israel out on their atrocities:

The professor, who is also an international lawyer, said the Israeli military is “less interested in upholding the law here than bending it to serve their own political objectives”.
“We’re seeing that again across patterns of targeting civilians, aid workers, civilian infrastructure, hospitals, journalists, and unfortunately, that list is very long, and it’s not a deviation. Unfortunately, it seems to be a doctrine.”

It's awful. Thank God he survived, poor little guy.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMDGT9LtO-G

Zeitoun today. On the harrowing scale of Palestinian life, this is a lucky kid.
They don’t deserve this. We’re the adults with voices.

“When they build a camp where they [plan to] ‘clean’ more than half of Gaza, then the inevitable understanding of the strategy of this [is that] it is not to save [Palestinians]. It is to deport them, to push them and to throw them away. There is no other understanding that I have, at least.”
Israeli human rights lawyers and scholars have described the plan as a blueprint for crimes against humanity and some have warned that if implemented, “under certain conditions it could amount to the crime of genocide”.

Glad to see atleast Israeli human rights lawyers are trying to warn the government.

“It is a concentration camp. I am sorry,” he said, when asked about the plans laid out by Israel Katz last week. Once inside, Palestinians would not be allowed to leave, except to go to other countries, Katz said.