Map of Palestine land, according to this most is controlled by Isreal, and if people want to travel approval is needed

I haven’t seen any ‘recently’. Just a plethora of dodgy X , Gazawood etc stuff.

And pro Palestinian propaganda is not biased against Israel?

Well maybe this Jewish scientist should tell Hamas that then?

Do you think they don’t know where they come from? Is Hammad lying about his own origins?

Wow, the denial even in the face of the people you are defending saying the opposite of what you’re saying is desperate in the extreme!

Are you saying the video is fake? Israel made him say it? There are plenty of video translating apps if you think it’s not been translated correctly. You can clearly hear him saying some of the words the caption is saying he’s saying.

No problem with linking to Hamas to show who they really are.

Agree. Lots on dodgy links being posted recently on MNet

I'm a bit surprised to see that you are happy to link to a spokesperson from Hamas.

I don't speak Arabic and without the full context of what was said a 40 second clip is not evidence in comparison to a Jewish scientist who has studied the DNA of populations in the region.

Also a highly biased company PMW based in Israel with allegations of connections with the right wing government is unlikely to be unbiased.
At least it wasn't MEMRI......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Media_Watch

What, all those who came from Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, Yemen, Lebanon as well? As Hamas says:

It's a myth that Palestinians are Arabs who conquered the land during the 7th Century.

Palestinians have actually inhabited the land continuously for approximately 4000 years. Although they identify as Arabs culturally due to speaking Arabic their DNA shows that genetically they are not "Arab".

Along with other Levantine populations (Lebanese, Syrian, Samaritian) Palestinian DNA is approximately 80% descendant from the ancient Canaanites.

Due to natural migration in the region there is a small percentage of Admixture (5% African).

Genealogist Nathan Pearson gave a Ted Talk on this in 2023:

https://x.com/GenomeNathan/status/1718670056576467452

Those links sre very interesting and offer great insight. It’s not like they are from Gazawood or X posters posting clear and proven proporganda. True knowledge is everything

Still deflecting from my earlier post I see, which contained my reference to Churchill’s comment due to my assertion that the majority of Arabs in the region had no more right to the land in the region of Palestine than the newly emigrated Jewish people.

Maybe you could just answer the questions in my post instead of ignoring them and wittering on.

I have no interest in reading or watching your links as I’ve watched and read quite enough pro Palestinian drivel over the last 21 months thanks, especially stuff like this:

What we know of Arab Palestinians is that they had lived there for 100s of years and were slowly booted off, uprooted, and thrown out into Lebanon or pushed into areas like Gaza by Zionists aided in part by Britain and by Israelis - as far as I know this is absolutely undisputed history.

So history has no part to play in any of the issues today? Wow! 🤦‍♀️

What do you mean by orientalist?

Just to add, I think your whole approach is very orientalist.

There is so much history to fill in to your partial account that it would be impossible to do so here. But tell me, why do most countries in MENA now speak primarily Arabic, and have lost mamy indigenous cultures? What would you call that history if not colonisation and racial superiority? Why is it only the British role in the creation of Israel that is an issue but it was not an issue when the British installed their Arab allies as kings in the newly formed kingdoms of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, after the collapse of the Ottomam empire, even though there were millions of Kurds and other minorities there. And where does the fact that Jews come from the Levant fit in your picture? And why were Jews persecuted in various ME countries and if not persecuted undoubtedly second class citizens known as dhimmis.

All that aside, how does this acknowledgement of the past work? Once we have thrashed out all the bad things thought and done by people in the past and who is going to apologise to who (what to do about slavery in Arab countries?). Does everyone sign some sort of declaration? What about people of mixed heritage. Are they apologising to themselves?

This is absolutely the cultural and political space from which Israel was made: Complete faith in 19th century racialist/eugenicist beliefs about superior and inferior races, and the inherent rightness of the former just taking over lands from the latter and telling them to go jump.

But try to point out that there might be something just a teeny tiny bit racist in the assumptions that led to the decision to found Israel in an already-populated Palestine, and OMG - "how antisemitic are YOU!!!?"

This doesn't mean all Israelis now are racist. It doesn't mean they shouldn't have a country (any more than white Americans or Australians shouldn't). It does mean that drawing a line under the past and moving forward can't happen without admitting the Zionists' motivation by, and the west's complicity in, a horrendously racist worldview that the Palestinians were perfectly justified in rejecting.

And the Likud party are, right? 😂

Whatever Churchill said, and I hadn’t dug that deep to try to discredit what he said about the amount of Arabs in the region of the time, are you saying that Arabs didn’t believe in their own racial superiority at that time and still to this day (ALL the land is Muslim Arab land according to them) including the ME countries Jewish people were ethnically cleansed from before and after 1948?

Arab Muslims didn’t colonise much of the ME themselves?

What is Al Aqsa built on top on of?

I don’t think anyone would give a flying fuck today about ‘colonialism’ in the ME if only those Arab armies hadn’t been outwitted and defeated in 1948, and 1967, and 1973.

BTW with regard to comment from Churchill, was he wrong?

@Anonimummy You clearly didn’t bother to read the thread, so I’ll recap it here for you:

It’s interesting that you describe Israel as the only truly pluralist multi ethnic/religious democratic state in the middle east. I’m not sure that I can agree with you on this matter. Firstly if you are Jewish you have the right to return as you wish and can hold dual citizenship. However, non Jewish Israeli citizens can not hold dual citizenship and have to go through a rigorous process in order to gain nationality. Land through the Jewish National Fund is almost exclusively allocated to only Jewish Israelis. There have been many reports highlighting that Arab majority areas have significantly lower government spending in public services and schooling.
Not sounding very democratic and pluralistic to me.

I think Israel is desperate to be able to live in peace and focus on enterprise and innovation which they are world renowned for, and advancement of their economy actually.

You can call it an apartheid state all you like but I think the Arab Israelis and minorities who actually live there are probably better informed than you.

If you mean it’s an apartheid state because they won’t let Palestinians in to try to kill them, then your opinion should be treated with the contempt if deserves. Although Israel did let in thousands of Palestinians to work and receive medical care and how were they repaid? Remember Sinwar’s life was actually saved in an Israeli hospital? Remember the Israelis in the kibbutzims who worked with the Palestinians, and ferried them into Israel for medical treatment while they passed on security information to Hamas so they could be massacred by them and Palestinian civilians too.

The Palestinians have had the opportunity to have a two state solution for over 77 years. They in fact had their own Arab state in Jordan and of course in Gaza, they elected terrorists who spent their time in government building weapons and tunnels, and mansions for themselves, while leaving their citizens in poverty and reliant on Aid, then were upset that Israel had to implement security measures to prevent them from trying to kill their citizens. Despite that Oct 7th happened………

Nobody in their right mind would think a one state solution is ever going to happen now, Israel would be condemning their current citizens to certain death.

You don’t just carry out and support the kind of atrocities carried out in Oct 7th and then become peace living citizens of the country you’d committed and supported mass slaughter, rape and hostage taking in!

Hamas, all the other terrorist groups in the region and their supporters have now had it reinforced very clearly that they can slaughter, rape and kidnap civilians including babies and children, and STILL they will get global sympathy and outrage at Israel for going after them.

Although Bibi was definitely open to a one state solution at one point before he became PM and even after serving in several wars against Arab armies surprisingly enough, and there ARE over 2 million Arab Israelis who’s parents, grandparents decided to stay in 1948,

A two state solution has been offered and refused again and again so why anyone thinks the Palestinians actually want one is beyond me.