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Israeli soldier openly talks about how the IDF kill innocent Palestinians

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Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 10:00

This is one of the most shameful articles I have read regarding the IDF's war crimes in Gaza.

This soldier talks openly how they would shoot innocent Palestinians and how it was like the wild west. The commanders would act depending on how they felt that day. Whether to shoot innocent civilians or kidnap them. Some held the belief that there are no innocents in Gaza and acted accordingly and this belief and subsequent war crimes were not challenged.

It's a hard read but a must. Especially for those who insist the IDF are only fighting Hamas and innocents are just caught up. This article aswell as many others shows that innocents have always been targeted.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

Israeli soldier describes arbitrary killing of civilians in Gaza

Speaking in a rare on-camera interview with Sky News, the soldier said the criteria of opening fire on civilians shifted depending on the commander.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

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Shellyash · 07/07/2025 22:11

ElCorazon · 07/07/2025 22:09

Yes.

Thank you. The news keeps that quiet for some reason.

ElCorazon · 07/07/2025 22:09

Shellyash · 07/07/2025 21:23

Just to understand sorry (I'm a bit dumb), are you saying the Palestinians have also been killing civilians? As in Israeli civilians?

Yes.

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 22:07

SisterTeatime · 07/07/2025 21:45

What you fail to see is that the west doesn’t see Israel as to blame because Hamas are terrorists.
When people who support Palestine can openly protest against Hamas then I’ll shut my gob.
Unfortunately I can’t see that happening

Yep.

I noticed nobody’s answered any of your points about Hamas’s charter BTW.

Thanks for your persistence @TinklySnail.
you know, I keep reading that arguments in support of Israel are ‘wearing thin’, that ‘the world is watching’, and slightly gloating comments about how by trying to stamp out Hamas, Israel are just creating more and more terrorists. I frequently read that ‘accusations of antisemitism won’t wash any longer’ and the like. It simply confirms my view that for many people, hatred of Israel is a powerful driver, and that most people are woefully ignorant of the history of antisemitism - a prejudice that’s so deeply embedded in our culture that many people don’t understand it, and deny it. When I read a thread like this, I’m - sadly - not surprised that terrible things happen in a war, including war crimes, but my overwhelming impression is a cynical one, that some people are almost happy that the IDF are doing this, because they get to feel righteous anger, berate and condemn others, and stoke the fire of their hatred of Israel.

They won’t 😏

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 22:06

TakeMe2Insanity · 07/07/2025 21:36

But you aren’t adding anything to discussion beyond denounce Hamas. If everyone on this thread denounced Hamas and then sat down to discuss the IDF shooting unarmed kids, adults, old people you’d still say “but Hamas”.

Neither are you but 🤷‍♀️

TakeMe2Insanity · 07/07/2025 21:53

There’s a button on CITME section, you may not seen it, it is called “create a new thread”.

Discussion continues.

SisterTeatime · 07/07/2025 21:45

What you fail to see is that the west doesn’t see Israel as to blame because Hamas are terrorists.
When people who support Palestine can openly protest against Hamas then I’ll shut my gob.
Unfortunately I can’t see that happening

Yep.

I noticed nobody’s answered any of your points about Hamas’s charter BTW.

Thanks for your persistence @TinklySnail.
you know, I keep reading that arguments in support of Israel are ‘wearing thin’, that ‘the world is watching’, and slightly gloating comments about how by trying to stamp out Hamas, Israel are just creating more and more terrorists. I frequently read that ‘accusations of antisemitism won’t wash any longer’ and the like. It simply confirms my view that for many people, hatred of Israel is a powerful driver, and that most people are woefully ignorant of the history of antisemitism - a prejudice that’s so deeply embedded in our culture that many people don’t understand it, and deny it. When I read a thread like this, I’m - sadly - not surprised that terrible things happen in a war, including war crimes, but my overwhelming impression is a cynical one, that some people are almost happy that the IDF are doing this, because they get to feel righteous anger, berate and condemn others, and stoke the fire of their hatred of Israel.

TakeMe2Insanity · 07/07/2025 21:36

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 20:50

I know you all dislike any view that supports Israel.

You can deny Hamas is to blame with their attack on innocent civilians on 7/10.
What you fail to see is that the west doesn’t see Israel as to blame because Hamas are terrorists.
When people who support Palestine can openly protest against Hamas then I’ll shut my gob.
Unfortunately I can’t see that happening

But you aren’t adding anything to discussion beyond denounce Hamas. If everyone on this thread denounced Hamas and then sat down to discuss the IDF shooting unarmed kids, adults, old people you’d still say “but Hamas”.

Shellyash · 07/07/2025 21:33

Tooblondetooyoung · 07/07/2025 21:25

Just to say, they haven't.
Or it's about a dozen over 18m. Very sad for those handful of individuals, but not the 50k+ Palestinians.

Thank you, was that your interpretation of the comment I asked about? I just couldn't quite work it out.

Anonimummy · 07/07/2025 21:29

Tooblondetooyoung · 07/07/2025 21:25

Just to say, they haven't.
Or it's about a dozen over 18m. Very sad for those handful of individuals, but not the 50k+ Palestinians.

Forgotten the very reason this war started?

Tooblondetooyoung · 07/07/2025 21:25

Shellyash · 07/07/2025 21:23

Just to understand sorry (I'm a bit dumb), are you saying the Palestinians have also been killing civilians? As in Israeli civilians?

Just to say, they haven't.
Or it's about a dozen over 18m. Very sad for those handful of individuals, but not the 50k+ Palestinians.

Shellyash · 07/07/2025 21:23

ElCorazon · 07/07/2025 12:39

It is the same exact story from the Palestinians. They’ve been killing innocent civilians too, then boast about it on camera.

Just to understand sorry (I'm a bit dumb), are you saying the Palestinians have also been killing civilians? As in Israeli civilians?

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 21:18

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 21:13

I’m not derailing anything. You are all so hateful to IDF that you think that a soldier saying they shoot the enemy and give no fucks is reprehensible but moan when anyone mentions the atrocities Hamas inflicted in the first place.

Why are Gaza’s civilians the “enemy” of the IDF?

BelleHathor · 07/07/2025 21:15

Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 21:02

What i find is the more evidence of Israeli war crimes that is uncovered, the more desperate deflection of it is ramped up.

Some people will be willing to believe anything except for IDF war crimes. Even when its from the horses mouth.

Yup, the desperation is palpable. The Hasbara is failing spectacularly(the extra $150 million budgeted not helping).

The attempt to rebrand as "if you really cared about Palestinians then you would xyz " after being called out as uncaring is not working.

P.s. No one needs "propaganda". Images and 4k videos are available 24/7, showing the inherent evil of repeatedly seeing children with their skulls blown open that ends any arguments of "But, but,but ...."

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 21:13

ssd · 07/07/2025 20:48

Stop trying to derail @TinklySnail , it's not working. Repeating "but hamas" doesn't change the facts that the IDF have targeted civilians to shoot as sport. And one of them has admitted it.

I’m not derailing anything. You are all so hateful to IDF that you think that a soldier saying they shoot the enemy and give no fucks is reprehensible but moan when anyone mentions the atrocities Hamas inflicted in the first place.

Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 21:02

What i find is the more evidence of Israeli war crimes that is uncovered, the more desperate deflection of it is ramped up.

Some people will be willing to believe anything except for IDF war crimes. Even when its from the horses mouth.

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Anonimummy · 07/07/2025 20:53

Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 20:45

This is unbelievable. Do you think sky news didnt check the identity of the soldier and other relevant checks and just picked any old Joe from the street?

The BBC paid Hamas family members for a documentary using licence payers money didn’t they? Not much checking done there. I would not be surprised by anything tbh.

The closer Israel comes to dismantling Hamas the more the desperate propaganda ramps up I find.

I tend to put ‘anonymous’ sources in the same bracket as ‘Gazan health ministry’ etc in this particular conflict.

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 20:50

I know you all dislike any view that supports Israel.

You can deny Hamas is to blame with their attack on innocent civilians on 7/10.
What you fail to see is that the west doesn’t see Israel as to blame because Hamas are terrorists.
When people who support Palestine can openly protest against Hamas then I’ll shut my gob.
Unfortunately I can’t see that happening

ssd · 07/07/2025 20:48

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 20:41

And so do Hamas 🤷‍♀️

Stop trying to derail @TinklySnail , it's not working. Repeating "but hamas" doesn't change the facts that the IDF have targeted civilians to shoot as sport. And one of them has admitted it.

Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 20:47

The soldier doesn't describe shooting first and asking questions later. It's shoot first and then kidnap any Palestinians who try to help the shot civilian. Or shoot first and then leave the body to rot. Or shoot first and then shoot again if anyone else happens to pass by.

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Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 20:46

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 20:41

And so do Hamas 🤷‍♀️

Except no one is denying that.
You’ve denied that the IDF target civilians for 99% of this thread despite it being put in front of you.

Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 20:45

Anonimummy · 07/07/2025 20:07

Why would I comment if I hadn’t read it?

Still no evidence he was in the IDF or what he’s saying is true though.

I don’t doubt commanders have ordered their troops to shoot first and ask questions later in a war arena like this one btw, which is unprecedented in modern warfare.

Sadly the MO of the terrorists they are fighting has created that situation.

I can see from both sides the terrible choices the soldiers on the ground have to make as well as the horrific loss of civilians.

Which is why I never understood why there has never been more calls for Hamas to surrender from the deafeningly loud pro-Palestinian side.

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This is unbelievable. Do you think sky news didnt check the identity of the soldier and other relevant checks and just picked any old Joe from the street?

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Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 20:44

MixedMetals · 07/07/2025 19:48

It's like the twilight zone.

IDF soldier: We shoot at innocent unarmed civillians.
TinklySnail: They target Hamas.

It really is.

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TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 20:41

MixedMetals · 07/07/2025 19:48

It's like the twilight zone.

IDF soldier: We shoot at innocent unarmed civillians.
TinklySnail: They target Hamas.

And so do Hamas 🤷‍♀️

Dangermoo · 07/07/2025 20:39

@tinklysnail you really are to be admired in the echo chamber x

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 20:38

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 19:58

Yes it is. I’m not denying anything that was said in the video.

And yet the solider didn’t make any suggestion that he or his squad felt that every person they shot was Hamas, in fact he clearly states the opposite, which is not what you keep repeating.