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Hamas nearly gone?

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mids2019 · 06/07/2025 18:10

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gk79xlzwjo

This is important. Hamas are nearly defeated and so is it in Israel's interests to finish the job? It will be interesting to see if Hamas actually have authority when it comes to negotiations or whether they are a busted flush outrageously demanding concessions when they are defeated.

It seems Palestinian society is descending into a barbaric chaos and I don't how these armed gangs will be represented in future Gazan governance unless it is broken up into clan fiefdoms?

Displaced Palestinian children play inside a destroyed police car in a temporary camp within the site of the Arafat Police Academy, in the destroyed police camp affiliated with Hamas, in Gaza City (10 April 2025)

Hamas security officer says group has lost control over most of Gaza /OR/ Hamas security officer says clans filling void as group loses control of Gaza

The officer says Israeli strikes have devastated the group's leadership and structure, and that armed clans are filling the void.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gk79xlzwjo

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mids2019 · 06/07/2025 22:56

Of you did have some sort of clan governance then although they would be unsavoury characters would they possibly not have the ideological mission of the destruction of Israel with religious foundation?

You would have warlords in charge and although questionable at least they would realise that trying to precipitate another October 7th would be a really bad idea. I don't know if there is the appetite for resistance amongst Gazans if you call October 7th resistance and then look at the consequences.

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frockandcrocs · 06/07/2025 22:52

TakeMe2Insanity · 06/07/2025 22:01

Well Israel has nearly taken out most of the civilian population so yeah why not finish job. While they are at it they take out the rest of kids, or maybe make sure they need prosthetics. Ridiculous.

And yet, people will still defend Israel. God forbid anybody calls them out. Or critiques their military.

OpheliaWasntMad · 06/07/2025 22:41

REDB99 · 06/07/2025 19:48

I cannot stand Hamas and would like them gone completely, they have horribly abused the people of Gaza. Israel’s objective is to obliterate them but at the cost of thousands of civilians lives. Hamas make money (amongst other ways) by stealing aid trucks and selling the food at inflated prices to civilians. They have used Gazan’s as human shields for far too long.
But what replaces them? Something that will no doubt inflict more misery on the people who live there.

I agree: A power vacuum in Gaza is not good for anyone. I’m not sure who could replace Hamas.
Palestinians won’t trust an Israeli proxy (obviously) but who can govern Gaza who would have the respect of both sides?

TakeMe2Insanity · 06/07/2025 22:01

Well Israel has nearly taken out most of the civilian population so yeah why not finish job. While they are at it they take out the rest of kids, or maybe make sure they need prosthetics. Ridiculous.

BelleHathor · 06/07/2025 21:57

sualipa · 06/07/2025 21:25

People talk about “wiping out” Hamas as if that would solve everything. But history shows us that when a people are oppressed, something always rises in resistance. After the Great Famine in Ireland when over a million died and many more were forced to emigration groups like the Fenian Brotherhood emerged. They weren’t born in a vacuum. They were born of starvation, grief, humiliation, and injustice under British rule.

It’s not so different in Palestine. Since the Nakba in 1948, millions of Palestinians have lived as refugees, or under military occupation, or trapped behind blockades. Generations have grown up stateless, with no rights and no hope. Of course people resist. Sometimes violently, sometimes peacefully but always from a place of deep pain.

Unless Israel truly reckons with the original injustice of the Nakba the mass displacement of Palestinians it will never understand why so many feel they have nothing left to lose. Lip service to peace won’t fix it. You can’t bomb away the anger and grief of entire generations. That only makes it worse.

This isn’t about justifying violence. It’s about recognising that crushing people into poverty and despair doesn’t make them compliant it makes them desperate. Just like in Ireland, you can’t eliminate the resistance without addressing what gave rise to it.

Until there’s justice and dignity for Palestinians, the rubble of Gaza will keep producing something new and probably something more desperate.

As Israeli journalist Gideon Levy wrote:

“Israelis believe, with terrifying sincerity, that if they only bomb Gaza harder, if they only kill a few more Hamas commanders, if they only show even less mercy then maybe finally the Palestinians will give up. But the opposite is true. You can kill the people, but you can’t kill the idea. You can flatten Gaza, but you can’t destroy the rage. When you trap people for generations and deny them basic human rights, don’t ask why they fight back. Ask what kind of peace you expected from people you’ve kept caged for decades.”

Agree fully, another lesson from History is the violent and brutal struggle of Algeria for independence from the French or the many Slave revolts prior to abolition.

https://daily.jstor.org/algerian-war-cause-celebre-anticolonialsm/

The Algerian War: Cause Célèbre of Anticolonialism - JSTOR Daily

On July 5, 1962, Algeria declared its independence after 132 years of French occupation. The transition was chaotic and violent, but inspired revolutionaries worldwide.

https://daily.jstor.org/algerian-war-cause-celebre-anticolonialsm/

sualipa · 06/07/2025 21:25

People talk about “wiping out” Hamas as if that would solve everything. But history shows us that when a people are oppressed, something always rises in resistance. After the Great Famine in Ireland when over a million died and many more were forced to emigration groups like the Fenian Brotherhood emerged. They weren’t born in a vacuum. They were born of starvation, grief, humiliation, and injustice under British rule.

It’s not so different in Palestine. Since the Nakba in 1948, millions of Palestinians have lived as refugees, or under military occupation, or trapped behind blockades. Generations have grown up stateless, with no rights and no hope. Of course people resist. Sometimes violently, sometimes peacefully but always from a place of deep pain.

Unless Israel truly reckons with the original injustice of the Nakba the mass displacement of Palestinians it will never understand why so many feel they have nothing left to lose. Lip service to peace won’t fix it. You can’t bomb away the anger and grief of entire generations. That only makes it worse.

This isn’t about justifying violence. It’s about recognising that crushing people into poverty and despair doesn’t make them compliant it makes them desperate. Just like in Ireland, you can’t eliminate the resistance without addressing what gave rise to it.

Until there’s justice and dignity for Palestinians, the rubble of Gaza will keep producing something new and probably something more desperate.

As Israeli journalist Gideon Levy wrote:

“Israelis believe, with terrifying sincerity, that if they only bomb Gaza harder, if they only kill a few more Hamas commanders, if they only show even less mercy then maybe finally the Palestinians will give up. But the opposite is true. You can kill the people, but you can’t kill the idea. You can flatten Gaza, but you can’t destroy the rage. When you trap people for generations and deny them basic human rights, don’t ask why they fight back. Ask what kind of peace you expected from people you’ve kept caged for decades.”

2024onwardsandup · 06/07/2025 19:48

Yes - the BBC sounds quite upset it’s on its way out

REDB99 · 06/07/2025 19:48

I cannot stand Hamas and would like them gone completely, they have horribly abused the people of Gaza. Israel’s objective is to obliterate them but at the cost of thousands of civilians lives. Hamas make money (amongst other ways) by stealing aid trucks and selling the food at inflated prices to civilians. They have used Gazan’s as human shields for far too long.
But what replaces them? Something that will no doubt inflict more misery on the people who live there.

PaxAeterna · 06/07/2025 19:42

Sounds like civil war is on the horizon. Civilians will pay the price, yet again. Hard to envision any good senario now.