Hamas nearly gone?

Hamas wants Gaza back and the population to be safe. Unlike Netanyahu who pulled out of the last ceasefire which would have brought the hostages home. Why didn’t he stick to it, because it wasn’t the Pham. Don’t demean my comments it doesn’t put posters in a good light. We all see Netanyahu’s goal even if some prefer to make light of it.

Always the same bullshit - ‘Israel made them do it’, as if apparently well educated Palestinians have no agency at all and nothing is their fault nor are they accountable for it.

@DrPrunesqualer thinks that Hamas cares about Gazan civilians which tells you all you need to know about that poster really,

On October 7th, Hamas carried out the single deadliest attack on Jews since the Holocaust. Over 1,200 people were butchered in their homes. Babies and kids were killed, the disabled were killed, women were raped and burned alive, and hundreds taken hostage. This was a barbaric act of terror, openly filmed and celebrated.

Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. Every settlement dismantled. Every soldier gone. The hope was that Palestinians would build something positive. Instead, Hamas seized power, executed its rivals, and started launching thousands of rockets into Israeli towns. Israel didn't "seize Gaza" after that. It waited 18 years, showing more restraint than almost any country would.

Netanyahu was an open critic of that withdrawal. He believed Israel should only make concessions in return for peace. The disengagement gave up land, settlements, and military presence with no guarantee of Palestinian recognition, demilitarisation, or ceasefire. He believed it sent the wrong message: that terror pays. At the time, attacks on Israelis had escalated during the Second Intifada, and withdrawing from Gaza appeared - at least symbolically - to reward violence. He resigned from the cabinet in protest just weeks before the withdrawal, making his stance very clear.

I remember at the time he warned that withdrawing unilaterally from Gaza without a peace agreement would turn the territory into a terrorist stronghold. He predicted that:

• Hamas would seize power.
• Rockets would be fired into Israeli towns.
• Gaza would become a base for Iranian-backed jihad.

All of which did happen.

I always hated him, but he was completely right on this.

Saying Hamas gave Israel an excuse is like saying 9/11 gave the US an excuse to go into Afghanistan. It’s a twisted kind of victim-blaming. He might be a complete prick. He and some of his cabinet might be absolute wankers who wanted to take over Gaza.

But none of them tricked Hamas into it, nobody coerced them, nobody forced them - it was just what they did, which was exactly what was predicted.

Hamas created the excuse Netanyahu needed to invade and take Gaza for Israel. Is that better for you You haven’t btw answered my question at all. I asked what do you think Netanyahu meant by presenting those maps to the UNGA in2023. Do you think he was joking. Why would he outline plans for ‘The New Middle East ‘ in such a way by erasing Gaza. What do you think he meant by that if not exactly what he and everyone at the meeting understood it to mean. ie Erasing Gaza and replacing it with Israel. If you don’t know or aren’t interested that’s fine. To many it’s fundamental to this whole conflict

Better put @Twiglets. Thankyou. Israel didn’t set a trap in that they planned anything as I have already explained ( no evidence at all ). Hamas however did provide the Israeli Government with the excuse it needed to take Gaza. If my ‘words’ are confusing hope that clears it up.

Ive answered your question.

You've yet to answer mine.

If I take what you say at face value, and agree that 7 October empowered Netanyahu to carry out a plan he'd already made... how is that a trap?

What is the trap? Who set it?

Oxford Dictionary def-

'Trap' trick or deceive (someone) into doing something contrary to their interests or intentions.

What was the trap? Who set it? Trap was your word not mine.

Sounds like there was no trap that Hamas walked into @dairydebris

They just decided to plan and execute a massacre, they did not walk into a trap set by anyone.

I really don’t know how else to explain it other than how I have. October 7th gave Netanyahu everything he needed to carry out his grand plan. Hamas gave him that excuse that he needed. ( all as my previous post I’m afraid I can’t explain it any simpler). I believe you are deflecting away from the very real question here Now. As I have made every effort to explain my comments can you explain why you think Netanyahu would present that plan at the UN general assembly if he didn’t mean it. He gave a long speech. He had prepared plans which he drew on with his thick red marker to emphasise the plan. Was he joking. Why do you think it isn’t ’evidence that he’s planning to take all of Gaza for Israel’. His map is quite clear for all to see. The Word Israel has replaced that of Gaza. So. Was he joking?

But you didnt answer what is the trap? Who set the trap, or did it set itself? Can you describe the trap?

I’m glad to hear some on here don’t support Netanyahu’s grand plan. In terms of my comment ‘Hamas walked into a trap’. Obviously i don’t believe Israel set up October 7th ! I mean everyone knew what Netanyahu said just two weeks before the October 7th attack and it doesn’t take much to appreciate that Netanyahu would push towards his grand plan. That is why Israel’s attack on Gaza has gone this far. That is why infrastructure has been bombed. That is why civilians are being pushed south. That is why his current proposals of coraling all Palestinians into the South has come about. To achieve this grand plan. It is significant it happened before October 7th because it shows what Netanyahu wanted all along. If all he wanted was the hostages back he wouldn’t have pulled out of the earlier ceasefire this year. So No. I am obviously not saying the Israeli Government set up the October 7th attack because 1) that’s disgraceful and 2) there is no evidence of it. There is however clear evidence that Netanyahu planned to wipe out Gaza just shortly before the attack.

You said Hamas walked into a trap.
Which trap was that?

That map youre pointing to as evidence of a grand plan was before even 7 October. No I dont take it as evidence Netanyahu is planning to take all of Gaza for Israel. I think its defunct now anyway as 7 October changed everything. Im not answering for any of BN's plans, I'm not a supporter of his, I dont know him personally, and I hope he's gone next year. I dont support a plan for Israel to take all of Gaza, although I do support getting rid of Hamas.

Now, what do you mean by Hamas walking into a trap? What was the trap? How was it set? By whom?

I didn’t say it was a trap SET by Israel. You have. You’re twisting my words. If you are acting in good faith it’s a simple matter of answering the question.

If I answer yours will you answer mine?
Because I'll research it and think it through and give you what I honestly think, it'll take a few minutes.
But I'm not sure I can in good faith have dialog with someone who believes Hamas commited 7 October because of a trap set by Israel... are you prepared to back that up and explain it?

Again a put down to deflect. Do you deny Netanyahus grand plan

Disgraceful infantilization of Hamas. Poor old Hamas, caught in a trap set by Israel that caused them to commit the atrocities of 7 October?
You're saying Israel is to blame for 7 October?
How did Israel set a trap? What was the trap?

I think it’s more likely Hamas walked into a trap because Had October 7th never happened I do wonder what excuses the Israeli Government would have used to carry out their grand plan. This was after all Netanyahu’s plan all along. This image has been posted many times on these threads since 2023. Do people forget so easily. I’ll post it again as it’s surprising how no one ever wants to discuss or reflect on its meaning….thread after thread deflects! It’s very clear . So now if Hamas is nearly gone he’s nearly reached his aim set in September 2023. To take Gaza completely for Israel

I hadn’t seen this before I wrote that, but it aligns closely with what I believe is happening. Hamas likely expected and even intended Israel’s extreme reaction. It was part of the plan. Much like how the 9/11 attacks triggered a $7 trillion, 20-year Western misadventure in the Middle East, Hamas seems to be pursuing a similar strategy: to provoke a disproportionate response, isolate Israel internationally, and raise the political and human cost of occupation. They know they can’t win militarily but they can raise the price of control to an unsustainable level.

Netanyahu and his cabinet have walked straight into the trap. And the logic of the situation is brutal: if the current course continues, the cost will keep rising for Israel, for Palestinians, and for everyone involved.

What’s different now is the relentless visibility of the conflict. Social media has become a new battlefield and one that nation states have never had to accomodate before.The constant stream of raw, graphic images of suffering and casualties floods the global consciousness in real time. It’s not just a war on the ground it’s a war for narrative, legitimacy, and moral high ground, waged frame by frame on millions of screens viewwd in horror in the comfort of our own homes over a cup of coffee and a list of things to do. That visibility intensifies global reactions, hardens opinions, and makes the diplomatic space for de-escalation even narrower.

And the hardest part is, I don’t see how this ends at least not in any way that could be called good. There's no clear exit, no real victory, just a deepening tragedy for all sides

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I hadn’t seen this before I wrote that, but it aligns closely with what I believe is happening. Hamas likely expected and even intended Israel’s extreme reaction. It was part of the plan. Much like how the 9/11 attacks triggered a $7 trillion, 20-year Western misadventure in the Middle East, Hamas seems to be pursuing a similar strategy: to provoke a disproportionate response, isolate Israel internationally, and raise the political and human cost of occupation. They know they can’t win militarily but they can raise the price of control to an unsustainable level.

Netanyahu and his cabinet have walked straight into the trap. And the logic of the situation is brutal: if the current course continues, the cost will keep rising for Israel, for Palestinians, and for everyone involved.

What’s different now is the relentless visibility of the conflict. Social media has become a new battlefield and one that nation states have never had to accomodate before.The constant stream of raw, graphic images of suffering and casualties floods the global consciousness in real time. It’s not just a war on the ground it’s a war for narrative, legitimacy, and moral high ground, waged frame by frame on millions of screens viewwd in horror in the comfort of our own homes over a cup of coffee and a list of things to do. That visibility intensifies global reactions, hardens opinions, and makes the diplomatic space for de-escalation even narrower.

And the hardest part is, I don’t see how this ends at least not in any way that could be called good. There's no clear exit, no real victory, just a deepening tragedy for all sides

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While much of Hamas’s senior command structure is likely dead, a significant remnant of its fighters appears to have reorganized into small autonomous cells that operate independently without comms or phones and without the need for centralized leadership or strategic direction. These decentralized units remain well-supplied with weapons and food, and are reportedly manufacturing improvised explosive devices (IEDs) from unexploded Israeli ordnance that litters the strip. They continue to release videos of their operations, regularly broadcast on Al Jazeera and other Arabic news outlets.

Their apparent objective is straightforward: to inflict maximum casualties on the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and wage a prolonged war of attrition. Concerns about civilian casualties or the destruction of civilian infrastructure appear to be nonexistent. On the contrary, such actions may be viewed as useful propaganda tools, with the resulting images of devastation exploited to fuel their narrative and international support. The civilian dead are not seen as collateral damage, but rather as martyrs to be celebrated in service of their cause.

It is increasingly clear that eliminating Hamas entirely would require the total destruction of Gaza something that, short of deploying a nuclear weapon, is neither practical nor morally or politically tenable. As such, the complete eradication of Hamas as a fighting force is a deeply unrealistic end goal, and continued military action may serve only to fragment and decentralize their resistance further.

Initial strength (Oct 2023): Estimated 30,000–40,000 fighters .
Casualties: Tens of thousands killed or wounded, with estimates around 10,000–20,000 losses .
Replacements: 10,000–15,000 newly recruited fighters, offsetting those losses
Current strength: Likely 20,000–40,000 fighters, depending on reporting source and inclusion of allied militants (e.g., Islamic Jihad)