Why kill Dr Marwan Sultan?

Absolutely. The hostages are forgotten. If it was my kids or grandkids being held for nearly two years I would want my government to so whatever it takes to free them .

Just your little reminder that Hamas can also stop this anytime by surrendering, disarming, and handing back the hostages.

Dr Marwan Sultan would still be alive now if Hamas had done this.

Absolutely needless waste of precious life.

You mistake me.
I know Smotrich and Ben Givr are racist extremists. Perhaps they'd be as bad as Hamas if they weren't held in check by the democratic structure around them. Theyre clearly abhorrent.
And I agree that BN is at least partly prolonging this war to save his political skin.
That doesn't absolve Hamas of responsibility for this conflict. They still made it inevitable with Oct 7.
You say it was resistance. You say it was because of the oppression. I say the oppression has become necessary because of the constant violence. We go back and forth. Both have commited atrocities. But this set started when Hamas opened the Pandoras box of war on 7 October. We can go tit for tat all the way back to 1948 when Israel was born and Palestinians and other Arabs immediately declared war. Thats where it started.
There's always 2 parties who can end a war. There's 2 parties that can end this one too.
Israel is going to keep going until Hamas is gone. They've sound reasons for doing so, even given the above. Hamas has promised 7 October over and over again. They've simply got to go.
We all see the news you know. We're not actual psychopaths who want children to die. Some of the rhetoric on this thread is absolutely unhinged. We all want the war to end.
All my posts have been pointing out Hamas can end it. Do you all honestly think the war can go on forever? It's going to end, so why not Hamas just end it now? Why all the needless death?
You lot really need to ask yourselves why you hate Israel more than you hate Hamas.

You lot really need to ask yourselves why you hate Israel more than you hate Hamas.

Because Israel has been oppressing Palestinians since 1948.

You mistake me.
I know Smotrich and Ben Givr are racist extremists. Perhaps they'd be as bad as Hamas if they weren't held in check by the democratic structure around them. Theyre clearly abhorrent.
And I agree that BN is at least partly prolonging this war to save his political skin.
That doesn't absolve Hamas of responsibility for this conflict. They still made it inevitable with Oct 7.
You say it was resistance. You say it was because of the oppression. I say the oppression has become necessary because of the constant violence. We go back and forth. Both have commited atrocities. But this set started when Hamas opened the Pandoras box of war on 7 October. We can go tit for tat all the way back to 1948 when Israel was born and Palestinians and other Arabs immediately declared war. Thats where it started.
There's always 2 parties who can end a war. There's 2 parties that can end this one too.
Israel is going to keep going until Hamas is gone. They've sound reasons for doing so, even given the above. Hamas has promised 7 October over and over again. They've simply got to go.
We all see the news you know. We're not actual psychopaths who want children to die. Some of the rhetoric on this thread is absolutely unhinged. We all want the war to end.
All my posts have been pointing out Hamas can end it. Do you all honestly think the war can go on forever? It's going to end, so why not Hamas just end it now? Why all the needless death?
You lot really need to ask yourselves why you hate Israel more than you hate Hamas.

It’s surprising that some people have not yet got the true measure of the drivers of the conflict from within Israel.

You have far right Knesset members who support the ongoing war and ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

You have a PM of Israel who people think is continuing the war to avoid fraud charges.

But it’s always “but Hamas, but Hamas.”

“National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir reportedly reached out Wednesday to Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich to request that the two far-right party leaders form a united bloc within the government against the emerging ceasefire deal in Gaza being pushed by the Trump administration.”

“Ben Gvir’s Otzma Yehudit party quit the government in January to protest a previous ceasefire/hostage release deal, only returning in March with the resumption of hostilities. Smotrich kept his Religious Zionism party in the coalition for the ceasefire but conditioned his staying in on the resumption of fighting against Hamas rather than using the truce period to negotiate a final end to the war, as was originally stated in the agreement. The ceasefire collapsed in March when Israel renewed attacks on Hamas while accusing the terror group of violating the terms. Dozens of hostages, dead and alive, were released during the ceasefire”

www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-said-seeking-partnership-with-smotrich-to-thwart-emerging-hostage-deal/

It’s surprising that some people have not yet got the true measure of the drivers of the conflict from within Israel.

You have far right Knesset members who support the ongoing war and ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

You have a PM of Israel who people think is continuing the war to avoid fraud charges.

But it’s always “but Hamas, but Hamas.”

“National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir reportedly reached out Wednesday to Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich to request that the two far-right party leaders form a united bloc within the government against the emerging ceasefire deal in Gaza being pushed by the Trump administration.”

“Ben Gvir’s Otzma Yehudit party quit the government in January to protest a previous ceasefire/hostage release deal, only returning in March with the resumption of hostilities. Smotrich kept his Religious Zionism party in the coalition for the ceasefire but conditioned his staying in on the resumption of fighting against Hamas rather than using the truce period to negotiate a final end to the war, as was originally stated in the agreement. The ceasefire collapsed in March when Israel renewed attacks on Hamas while accusing the terror group of violating the terms. Dozens of hostages, dead and alive, were released during the ceasefire”

www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-said-seeking-partnership-with-smotrich-to-thwart-emerging-hostage-deal/

Just your little reminder that Hamas can also stop this anytime by surrendering, disarming, and handing back the hostages.

Dr Marwan Sultan would still be alive now if Hamas had done this.

Absolutely needless waste of precious life.

Yeah, OK.
History will be the judge.

Semantics, as Lawyer Alonso Gurmendi has put it:

"Saying "the ICJ said there is a plausible genocide" and "the ICJ said the rights of Palestinians [not to be the victims of genocide under the Genocide Convention] are plausibly at risk of imminent & irreparable harm" is saying the same thing; first colloquially, then in legalese"

That the interview with the American former president of the ICJ Donohue is amplified d as some sort of gotcha but it is nothing more than semantics.

Remember this is the panel, where 32% of the dissenting opinion [in a separate advisory case on Israel's occupation] from Judge Sebutinde is alleged to have been plagarised:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/fresh-allegations-emerge-plagiarism-icj-president-israel-opinion

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/icj-president-accused-plagiarism-dissenting-opinion-israeli-occupation

No one said 'look what you made me do'. You're just making stuff up.
Personally I hope Hamas surrender asap because life is being wasted. But you'd rather concentrate your fury on Israel. Its almost as if you dont actually want Hamas to surrender... oh well. As long as you get to make your point about how awful Israel is, thats the most important thing right?

No they did not. I'm losing the will to live over the number of times I have shared this clip.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-68906919

The ICJ decided the Palestinians had a “plausible right” to be protected from genocide and that South Africa had the right to present that claim in the court.
The court did not make a ruling on whether the claim of genocide was plausible, but it did emphasise in its order that there was a risk of irreparable harm to the Palestinian right to be protected from genocide.

I certainly wouldn’t would the civilian population of their ethnic group/geographical location held under siege for 20+ months, a breakdown of all infrastructure, killing of babies, amputation of limbs, removal of medications etc, a shoot to kill policy that has resulted in the killings of teenagers with Down Syndrome, the killing of paralysed people in their beds, blind people, a 7 year shot to death by a tank knowing she was in a car of dead people, killing paramedics going to help people, old people walking to their deaths, people falling with exhaustion.

There is the concept of getting justice for victims of the Nova attack and getting the hostages back but this dream of building Gaza as the Riviera and deleting the Palestinians while doing what is being done to them is beyond vengeance and beyond depravity.

In truth, it’s only a handful of posters. They just post very, very regularly.

@AccountCreateUsername true. The justifications for this on mumsnet go beyond what I see in daily life. In my daily life I see more and more Jewish people shocked by the horrors and yet on mumsnet they defend harder as if they are in the IDF comms HQ.

The Israeli government has repeatedly told us what they want to do and are actively doing to destroy the Palestinians in whole or part, textbook genocide

(to prevent derailers, I will add that yes no court of law has ruled it is a genocide yet. However the ICJ did rule that there was a plausible case to be made for genocide).