Why kill Dr Marwan Sultan?

If you are interested the Amnesty report on Israeli apartheid details the discriminatory laws and policies that impact Arab Israeli’s and Palestinians living in the OPT.

You may not agree with it but it does offer a different perspective with some solid research behind it.

I referenced the fact that she was biased like nearly everyone on this subject. Obviously someone with lived experience like hers (she was 9 when her family fled Palestine for England due to the Nakba) will have strong views not all will be sanitised.

(NB I do not agree with all her opinions )

Ah I see you've edited your post to be more helpful. The OPT is not Israel you ninny, its Palestine, so it doesnt tell us anything about racial segregation in Israel.

Occupied Palestinian Territories in reference to Gaza and the West Bank. That is what the EU, most of the global south, many NGOs and the UN and even in some documents the US use.

Ghadi Karmi also wants the whole state of Israel to be dismantled, thinks that Jewish people are looking for revenge for the Holocaust and that October 7th was resistance so yeah she would say that.

I did Google. I got a load of stuff about Occupational Practical Training. My algorithm is clearly different to yours. But thanks for your helpful input as always.

You really think it is that straightforward? This didn't all just start on October 7th, you know. Still, if you are ok with what Israel are doing......

The very first thing is that needs to be an agreement between both parties to end the war. A ceasefire agreement.

I don’t mean to be picking on you. But I am just challenging this view, that many people who support Israeli actions seem to have. If Hamas disappeared into a puff of air, Gaza would still be under blockade and in a desperate situation and the desire of Palestinians to have their own state would not disappear. The conditions for growing terrorism would remain. Would the Israeli even stop the current conflict ? I’m not sure they would now.

Peace any where is always so much more than one side disarming.

Dude you've been commenting on this for months and don't know what the OPT is? Google is free try it.

You are the same person that didn't even know that Gaza is occupied aren't you? It's no wonder you've never heard of the OPT before then.

It stands for the Occupied Palestinian Territory, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.

That's the point there is no one credible history source which is why scholars have debated the events so extensively. Obviously this is also because it is such an emotive issue so impartiality can be difficult.

Israel has 17 million files in it's possession many of which have been looted from Palestinian institutes . Haaratz about 5 years ago did a report on a decade long clearout where the Israeli Defence Ministry removed documents relating to the Nakba and the role of Zionist forces

So to answer your question I have read reading from authors such as Kharmi who is also not impartial but falls in with my own beliefs. Even novels such as those by Susan Abulhawab give insight.

Now do I agree with the Arabs rejecting the 1947 UN plan .. looking with the hindsight of history it was the wrong decision. However at the time the feeling of given the majority of the land to the minority was unfair and this is understandable.

My own granny would have told me about the stories her father told her about the 1921 Treaty in Ireland and the depth of feeling it caused that the six counties remained with Britain. Land is something people can be so passionate about.

What are you talking about? Nothing to do with Hamas, these sort of comments are why I can’t take you people seriously.

Nethenyahu is a spent force or will be soon.

Whats the OPT? Whats Thai workers got to do with it? Keeping workers in overcrowded sheds sounds awful but its not racial segregation? Whats that got to do with whether or not Hamas should just bloody surrender? Are we down the rabbithole again?!

It's in the OPT. Israel itself does have massive problems with racism like all of abused, badly paid Thai workers they keep living in over crowded sheds but the racial segregation from the ICJ ruling is in the OPT.

And I note you STILL didn't answer my question on Hamas. Even though I answered all of yours.

Could you break it down for me? How is there racial segregation in Israel?

Sure. But the first thing is Hamas surrendering disarming returning hostages? Yes or no?

OK. Can you please name me a credible book that sets out the history as you see it then?

I push back on Zionists wanting a land free of Arabs. They accepted the borders they were offered. It was Arabs that wanted the whole place free of Jews.

But im always interested to hear other readings, im open to changing my viewpoint. I used to be much more pro Palestinian.

Where do you get your history?

So then it is not as simple as Hamas surrendering. Lots of things have to happen for an enduring peace.

By racial segregation I’m guessing it is a reference to the many laws and polices that impact Arab Israelis more negatively.

I've absolutely no idea what you mean by racial segregation.

It's all in the ICJ ruling from July 2024, the same ruling that confirms Israel have been illegally occupying Gaza.

Of course I put the blame for that war on the Arab coalition- they're the ones that declared it! Or was that war Israel's fault for having thousands of years of history in the region and needing a home of their own after suffering the worst genocide in history?

@dairydebris I find your posts very one sided and historically inaccurate. Scholars are still debating the causes of the original war and Palestinian refugee but there are things that's are factors such as

• massacres including Deir Yassan

• no right to return to their own homes after they had fled

So I fail to understand why only the Arab coalition is at fault for the war.(I know this is a rhetoric popular in Israel . They have even asked that the term Nakba be outlawed in the UN as it undermines the legitimacy of Israel's founding)

They are without a doubt a factor but your posts imply that it could not be Israel's fault in any way.

Ghadi Karmi is a Palestinian born physician academic and author and writes extensively about this
"And if you think about it, that has been the basis of the conflict ever since, that the Zionists wanted a territory free of non-Jews in a territory full of non-Jews, and therefore, they had to get rid of the non-Jews in order to make it a territory for Jews. Now, those non-Jews, i.e. the Palestinians, of course didn’t want to be dispossessed, they resisted being dispossessed, and hence, you have a conflict."

Now this is also probably also an over simplistic version of the events but the history lies more middle than you see.

Israel should pull back all the illegal settlers immediately, officially admit the right of Palestinians to have a homeland state, and start negotiations on where those borders should be as a first part of any peace process.

Until there is no government of Palestinians thats sworn to violence they should absolutely keep the blockade.

I've absolutely no idea what you mean by racial segregation. Ive spent time in Israel. Theres no racial segregation. Have you been to Jerusalem?! Or are you talking about Palestinian areas where no Jews are allowed?

Will that do? Should Hamas just surrender?

Israel is trying to destroy Gaza, so that includes destroying or dismantling their healthcare system. These guys know exactly who they are targeting and why. Don’t be naive.

It never fails to amaze me that people won't just join me in saying Hamas should just surrender, disarm, and return the hostages.

Maybe if you added in that Israel should end their illegal occupation, racial segregation and blockade into the mix you would have some more takers. Weirdly enough people don't agree that there will be peace without it.

What is the evidence to suggest they specifically targeted him? What reason could they have? If you arguing that they targeted him, you must have valid reasons why and evidence that they targeted him rather than maybe a terrorist living next door.

Otherwise you’re just guessing and it seems far fetched to me they would target a cardiologist who represented no danger to them.

For God's sake! Why assume I'm minimizing it?! It was a terrible tragedy, as all war is. I'm pushing back on the narrative that Israel is the root cause of the problem. In my opinion, that declaration of war was the root cause. The decision taken to not allow Jews any homeland of their own in their place of history, and instead to attempt to drive every last one of them out... to where? And in the shadow of the Holocaust!

Of course I put the blame for that war on the Arab coalition- they're the ones that declared it! Or was that war Israel's fault for having thousands of years of history in the region and needing a home of their own after suffering the worst genocide in history?
Everything flows from that declaration. History flows, one event and its consequences to the next.

Both Israel and Palestine need leadership truly commited to the other sides legitimate right to be there. Hamas isnt it. BN isnt it. I hope both find their way to better leadership soon. In the meantime, I wish Hamas would just surrender so innocent Palestinians stop getting needlessly slaughtered, Israeli sons and daughters no longer have to fight, and the hostages get returned.

It never fails to amaze me that people won't just join me in saying Hamas should just surrender, disarm, and return the hostages.