Why kill Dr Marwan Sultan?

Well enlighten me then, I did say I would accept corrections so correct me

@dairydebris Absolutely The situation is dark because there are no voices for peace. From the sounds of it there are many armed groups in Gaza and any transfer of power from Hamas would need to be carefully managed by an outside party such as in the Arab plan. So no I can’t agree that the first step is them dissolving. I think that should come at some point in a road of course but I just don’t think it is that simple.

For God's sake! Why assume I'm minimizing it?! It was a terrible tragedy, as all war is. I'm pushing back on the narrative that Israel is the root cause of the problem. In my opinion, that declaration of war was the root cause. The decision taken to not allow Jews any homeland of their own in their place of history, and instead to attempt to drive every last one of them out... to where? And in the shadow of the Holocaust!

Of course I put the blame for that war on the Arab coalition- they're the ones that declared it! Or was that war Israel's fault for having thousands of years of history in the region and needing a home of their own after suffering the worst genocide in history?
Everything flows from that declaration. History flows, one event and its consequences to the next.

Both Israel and Palestine need leadership truly commited to the other sides legitimate right to be there. Hamas isnt it. BN isnt it. I hope both find their way to better leadership soon. In the meantime, I wish Hamas would just surrender so innocent Palestinians stop getting needlessly slaughtered, Israeli sons and daughters no longer have to fight, and the hostages get returned.

It never fails to amaze me that people won't just join me in saying Hamas should just surrender, disarm, and return the hostages.

And? Who is the key terrorist that makes the death of innocent civilians warranted. Would you be satisfied with this explanation if numerous members of your family were killed?

Just read about the incident on the BBC website and the IDF are not saying they targeted this doctor but said it has struck a "key terrorist" from Hamas in the Gaza City area and "regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals."

They deserve an explanation for why the IDF were targeting that block and I hope they get one. Though that won’t bring him back of course.

I am pointing out evidence of his property was very specifically targeted. There can only be two reasons - it was done on purpose or it was an accident.

”His son Ahmed said there was “no other explanation” other than that his father was deliberately targeted by the Israeli military. He also added that the floors where his father and their extended family were staying were the only parts of the block hit in the airstrike.”

If we don’t think it was him, what senior member of Hamas was in his family? Does his family not deserve an explanation, or are the lives of their family worth so little?

What is the evidence to suggest they specifically targeted him? What reason could they have? If you arguing that they targeted him, you must have valid reasons why and evidence that they targeted him rather than maybe a terrorist living next door.

Otherwise you’re just guessing and it seems far fetched to me they would target a cardiologist who represented no danger to them.

So what does you think should come first? If not Hamas surrendering, returning hostages, disarming?

I agree absolutely not simple, and possibly one of the most complex situations in the world at the moment.

I never said the racial segregation was in Israel itself, I said they should end their racial discrimintaion. Calling people names because you are embarrassed at your lack of knowledge is very primary school behaviour.

OK. I dont fancy Kharmi, sounds partisan. Will give Susan Abulhawab a go. I recently enjoyed ( again 😬 as it was actually pretty harrowing ) A Day in the Life of Abed Salama enlightening on life in the West Bank.
I'll take any recommendations for factual history from anyone else. I've found Simon Sebag Montefiore very readable.

@dairydebris Absolutely The situation is dark because there are no voices for peace. From the sounds of it there are many armed groups in Gaza and any transfer of power from Hamas would need to be carefully managed by an outside party such as in the Arab plan. So no I can’t agree that the first step is them dissolving. I think that should come at some point in a road of course but I just don’t think it is that simple.

And I'm sure if an Israeli who had lived through October 7thot sone other attack you'd be just as sympathetic to them if they decided to make racist comments or justify the IDFs actions, even if they don't fall in line with your own believes like hers do.

That's the point there is no one credible history source which is why scholars have debated the events so extensively. Obviously this is also because it is such an emotive issue so impartiality can be difficult.

Israel has 17 million files in it's possession many of which have been looted from Palestinian institutes . Haaratz about 5 years ago did a report on a decade long clearout where the Israeli Defence Ministry removed documents relating to the Nakba and the role of Zionist forces

So to answer your question I have read reading from authors such as Kharmi who is also not impartial but falls in with my own beliefs. Even novels such as those by Susan Abulhawab give insight.

Now do I agree with the Arabs rejecting the 1947 UN plan .. looking with the hindsight of history it was the wrong decision. However at the time the feeling of given the majority of the land to the minority was unfair and this is understandable.

My own granny would have told me about the stories her father told her about the 1921 Treaty in Ireland and the depth of feeling it caused that the six counties remained with Britain. Land is something people can be so passionate about.

Ah I see you've edited your post to be more helpful. The OPT is not Israel you ninny, its Palestine, so it doesnt tell us anything about racial segregation in Israel.

I did Google. I got a load of stuff about Occupational Practical Training. My algorithm is clearly different to yours. But thanks for your helpful input as always.

The very first thing is that needs to be an agreement between both parties to end the war. A ceasefire agreement.

I don’t mean to be picking on you. But I am just challenging this view, that many people who support Israeli actions seem to have. If Hamas disappeared into a puff of air, Gaza would still be under blockade and in a desperate situation and the desire of Palestinians to have their own state would not disappear. The conditions for growing terrorism would remain. Would the Israeli even stop the current conflict ? I’m not sure they would now.

Peace any where is always so much more than one side disarming.

I referenced the fact that she was biased like nearly everyone on this subject. Obviously someone with lived experience like hers (she was 9 when her family fled Palestine for England due to the Nakba) will have strong views not all will be sanitised.

(NB I do not agree with all her opinions )