Why kill Dr Marwan Sultan?

I’ve noticed this. It’s like you can’t post a complicated post with several points- as one particular point will be picked up on, and used to derail the thread.

I have no qualms about stating it is because of the holocaust I feel Israel is particularly important. That’s not to minimise the difficulties Jewish people have faced since.

I also do not consider it victim blaming by questioning how Israel can its citizens safe going forward and how to reduce chances of a further 7/10. A plan for the governance of Gaza is finally being discussed and Hamas have agreed that will not remain in charge and have proposed as well as previously accepted ceasefires under this condition.

I do question how further flattening Gaza and destroying Gaza city with the accompanying death and suffering of its civilians helps improve chances of longer term peace- with Hamas already agreeing to step aside.

It adds to concerns about proportionality of ongoing Israeli actions in Gaza when there is an alternative being suggested - a ceasefire that Israeli citizens and IDF military leaders have also supported.

I really hope there's a small bunch of people working together to derail as it means there are potentially less genocide apologists in society as a whole. Very frustrating on a thread though when they don't deal with the actual points.

I thought you weren’t engaging with me anymore? You certainly haven’t engaged with any of the actual points I’ve made regarding Gaza.

I do think its funny when people say we 'work together' on these threads. All I can say is it reveals something in the way your mind works rather than any sort of reality. Maybe look back at the way you chose to make your argument to see why someone might choose not to want to discuss with you.

In my experience, It’s also evident from some users’ posting patterns that as soon as a point reaches a dead end- or they can’t counter the facts being presented- they work together to bury the thread with nitpicking, trying to make the points they want to avoid disappear.

The real reason you’re refusing to engage is that there’s no longer any justification for Israel’s actions. You have no real argument to make.

I’m not posting in bad faith- I’m highlighting verified reports on the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, including the impact on children. Dismissing the discussion as ‘bad faith’ without addressing the evidence doesn’t change the facts.

Yes, we read it all the first time thanks. The way you distort and exaggerate things feels like bad faith Im afraid so Im not particularly interested in further discussion. I may pick you up if you say things that are obviously untrue.

Again, No real discussion on the points I’ve made on here this morning- just picking fights.

I commented (to SharonEllis):
Just going to tactically ignore this then are we?
If it’s not about the hostages the only “justification” left is Hamas. Yet international law is clear: civilians, especially children, cannot be deliberately targeted to get at a military group. Starving, bombing, and flattening entire neighbourhoods (even farmland) to pressure/punish Hamas is illegal. Repeated, systematic attacks on civilians are war crimes- and possibly genocide. Targeting Hamas doesn’t magically make mass civilian slaughter lawful.

SharonEllis commented (to me):
It’s not me that ignoring things. You keep repeating that Netayahu is to blame for rejecting ceasefires, as if Hamas was being reasonable. You can't just ignore the fact that Israel will not, and should not be expected to, allow Hamas to remain armed and functioning.

You commented (to SharonEllis):
Yes very much an implication that Hamas are being the more reasonable ones here.
Hamas apologists do not use valid arguments. They are a proscribed terrorist organisation in the UK.

I commented:
Accusing me of being a Hamas apologist for pointing out facts is absurd.
Netanyahu has repeatedly rejected peace deals, and international law is clear: Israel must distinguish civilians from fighters. Deliberately killing hundreds of thousands of children under five cannot be justified as self-defence

You quoted me today at 11.14.

In response to a post I made earlier today in which I said "Hamas apologists do not use valid arguments. They are a proscribed terrorist organisation in the UK" you responded, "Accusing me of being a Hamas apologist for pointing out facts is absurd".

Because it was a reply to SharonEllis who had replied to me.

I didn't accuse you specifically of being a Hamas apologist.

If you assume my comment was aimed at you, maybe ask yourself why you would leap to that assumption.

https://arena.org.au/politics-of-counting-gazas-dead/

For clarity: I am referencing their research to highlight the scale of civilian suffering, not to make an opinion-based claim. The figures are estimates based on collected data, and even taking conservative verified numbers, the impact on children is catastrophic.

Pointing out that disproportionately harming civilians is a war crime?

That targeting children is unacceptable?

That upwards of 20,000 children have been killed so far in this conflict in a myriad of disgusting ways? That one estimate puts that number at 380,000 children under five?

If stating the facts makes me “doing something,” then yes- I’m doing the only thing that matters: highlighting the humanitarian catastrophe that cannot be ignored.

You know better than anyone!

What am I doing?

Now we're down to 'directly killed children'. Backtracking a little bit at a time. Everyone can see what you're doing.

No. You literally said Israel has killed hundreds of thousands of children. You know that's not true. Its blood libel.

20k is bad enough.

The only reason I'm still commenting is in case anyone else reads what you wrote and believes it.

Where am I backtracking?

Israeli military actions have directly killed children.

Nothing to say about the actual points I’m making then? No?

My point isn’t shifting or exaggerating, it’s about the disproportionate impact on civilians, particularly children, in Gaza.

The 380,000 infants under five is an independent estimate by Dr. Gideon Polya and Professor Richard Hil, which I clearly prefaced with potentially. Official figures from the Gaza Health Ministry and humanitarian agencies report around 65,000 deaths, with roughly 80% being civilians, including women and children.

So I’m not “blaming Israel for all of it” or trying to move goalposts. I’m highlighting the humanitarian crisis and violations of international law that are occurring, regardless of the exact total. The concern over the impact on children remains valid whether the confirmed deaths are 65,000 or higher.

So, back tracking agsin. Now you're not saying 'deliberately killing'.

Ok.

Your wild hyperbole, shifting of goalposts and lack of clarity around what exactly it is you want to discuss, other than Israel is to blame for ALL of it, suggests you are uninterested in proper discussion.

For example. Just chuck in a figure of 380 000 children under 5 killed, with no source, and think putting 'potentially' in front of it, makes it a serious contribution to a proper conversation? The total current figure according to Hamas for all people, adults, children, civilians and combatants is around 65,000.

The death toll is now 680k and 380k of those children?

So somehow theres an extra 600,000 deaths unnoticed by Hamas?

Do you actually believe that?

I’m talking about the humanitarian impact of Israel’s military strategy and blockade in Gaza.

At least over 20,000 children have already been killed since October 2023, and hundreds of thousands more are suffering severe malnutrition and lack of medical care due to the blockade. A report by Dr. Gideon Polya and Professor Richard Hil (published on September 3) also estimates that since October 7, 2023, the total death toll in Gaza is at least 680,000, with 380,000 of those being infants under five years of age. These figures are based on data collected from various sources, including health ministries and humanitarian organisations.

Deliberately killing hundreds of thousands of children under 5?

What on earth are you taking about?