Why kill Dr Marwan Sultan?

Of course they were at war before October 7th, it was just that the world had come to ignore the long term siege on Gaza. @Soggybirthdaycamping

I think that a few weeks prior to Oct 7 the IAF had carried out 3 days of consecutive air strikes killing over a dozen people. Added to that, there was the shooting in the lags and knees of dozens of stone throwing Gazan youths. So, there was no ceasefire in place.

@Martymcfly24 Appologies. Misunderstood you there.

Oh, so people now aren’t allowed to have a different opinion from I support Israel and all that it does?
Noted.

FFS🙄

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Well said 👏🏻👏🏻

It’s ridiculous. The naive bleating on about October 7th but, but, but….
The world is watching Israel. The world is watching what it is doing to Palestine every single day. And they don’t fucking support it.

Yes, but by group you mean anyone of the same nationality/ethnicity, and not ‘those responsible for planning and carrying out the attacks”.

Which is of course ignoring the total asymmetry of what is happening.

But it is interesting that you can only see yourself in Israel’s role. How do you feel about a UK supported attack, being used as a pretext to leave generations of your family living like Gazans? Has the UK every done something that might be twisted into justifying your children or grandchildren being starved to death, and you being told primly “well actually, it’s your own fault”

Of course they were at war before October 7th, it was just that the world had come to ignore the long term siege on Gaza. At least 227 Palestinians had been killed by Israel that year already, the highest in almost 20 years. 30-35; Israeli's killed in the same period, mostly settlers or IDF.

Thousands have died over the past decades, usually 8-20 Palestinians for every Israeli death. In that time Gazans have been denied adequate healthcare and almost non existent freedom of movement. Everything going in or out was at Israelis mercy. There were times when crayons were banned, pasta sauce was banned, pasta was banned (not at the same time...). The Gazans try to build an airport, Israel bombs it. They try to make a port. Israel bombs it. In the year before 7 the October, Israel launched at least 400 airstrikes on Gaza.

So when you say that they weren't at war, what you mean is there was little threat to Israeli's, and Palestinians didn't matter.

Why did Hamas commit the atrocities they did on October 7th?

They were resisting the brutal occupation of Israel of Gaza . One that affected every aspect of daily life for the Palestinians living there . As @NiMaithLiomDeLuain says Palestinians were taken without trial to Sde Teiman.(Even with a trial it was by Israeli courts with a conviction rate of 99%).

Nothing justifies the heinous actions of October 7th but to think that it was all rosy and came from nowhere shows a typical colonist/oppressor attitude.

Oh right so if Israeli citizens were dying in theit tens of thousands, Israel had been reduced to rubble, and the people were now facing famine and disease with no functioning health care system, you would just shrug your shoulders dismissively and say "oh yeah well bad things happen in war" would you? Somehow I don't think you would!

Civillians aren't 'dying', they are being killed, raped, tortured, murdered, disappeared, starved, bombed, shot.

Look at your language. Palestinians die. Israelis are murdered.

What do you mean? Are you denying that Israel have taken people from Gaza and taken them to places like Sde Teiman where they are tortured and raped? There are 100s of accounts of this happening, even pre Oct 7 Israel took people and tortured and sexually assaulted them, including children. It's been happening for decades.

What do you think I am trying to manipulate exactly by bringing up International law? Are we just supposed to ignore it and say 'bad things happen' in war? I mean we aren't even talking about bad things just happening in war time are we, we are talking about decades of it.

It's uncomfortable to confront the fact that a country many people supported is actually responsible for disgusting practices but at some point it has be be confronted.

There was no war at the time. That started the war.

Again - there is a difference between planning to invade a music festival to rape, murder and kidnap people, and civilians dying during a war.

Are you saying that if a group flew soldiers into Glastonbury killed hundreds of people, and kidnapped more, you would just shrug and say 'oh well', here, have a few million pounds in aid? You wouldn't want that group found and punished?

If ‘bad things happen in war’ wasn’t the October attacks part of that? Because it seems that for you, Israeli people being murdered is an outrage for which what has happened in the meantime is fair (but partial) punishment, whilst the deaths of Palestinians are shruggable “C’est la guerre”.

What do I expect Israel to do? Cooperate with full investigation into genocide. To understand that their claims on being ‘moral’ are utterly repugnant. To acknowledge that when you see fit to lecture others on Double Standards, you should definitely not have double standards of your own- because most people really despise hypocrites.

It does seem he was targetted directly, but not being privvy to Israeli intelligence, and knowing that people can be more than one thing, I really can't say what this was.

I do think that there's a fair chunk of DARVO saying that it's the Israelis kidnapping people to torture and rape them against international law though.

Not target medics and their entire families against international law? Not bring them Israel against International law and torture and rape them?

And we won’t with Hamas re October 7th.

It's a war. Bad things happen in wars. People die in wars - lots of people. Fewer non-combatants are dying in this war than in other wars currently in progress.

Egypt is also blocking baby formula from getting in (I'll take it on faith that that is correct), and they aren't currently at war with Palestine.

Again, what do you suggest Israel does? Just sit there being attacked and do nothing about the terrorist organisations doing it?

Hamas created the hell everyone has to live with.

Agree. All the way back in 1947/8 during the Nakba as part of the deliberate ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, an operation called "Cast Thy Bread" was carried out.

The purpose was to deliberately poison the wells of Palestinian villages in an act of biological warfare:

"details of how scientists from the Scientific Corps, together with battlefield units, were involved in a systematic campaign to poison water wells and spread typhoid bacteria in Arab villages and cities as well as among the invading armies of Egypt and Jordan. The objective was to frighten the Arab-Palestinian population, to force them to leave and to weaken the Arab armies. It is claimed that the use of biological warfare was approved by the founder of the Israeli state and its first Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion."

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20221011-historians-reveal-israels-use-of-poison-against-palestinians/

"Current zionist theory"? WTF is that supposed to mean?