Why kill Dr Marwan Sultan?

Imagine 😂

The majority want the ceasefire - 74%

I wonder if the Israeli “covert operations” involve mumsnet!
Imagine this board is not worth their while infiltrating though 😂

@Twiglets1 i did not imply that you were being controlled but am just curious what you mean when you say “we” which you do very often

The problem is not just Netanyahu.

I can totally understand why the hostage families are angry he doesn’t just agree a ceasefire with Hamas to get their loved ones home.

But I can also understand the point that if he doesn’t destroy Hamas now, they may repeat 7/10 again in future and destroy other people’s families.

Also some families of hostages do not want Netanyahu to agree terms with Hamas that don’t include them disarming & leaving Gaza. Not all the families see the situation identically - not surprisingly.

BBC News - Netanyahu is only obstacle to bringing hostages home, families say

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dqrg32zd9o

Interesting article. So many here believe if Hamas surrender then the hostages will be brought home...seems the problem is actually Netanyahu.

Yes similarly to how Israel has

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna154774

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/05/technology/israel-campaign-gaza-social-media.html

Well it’s some level of paranoia to think pro Israel supporters on MN are being controlled in some way yet I have seen the idea mentioned several times.

Yes because they invaded a sovreign democratic nation in Europe with absolutely no provocation whatsoever. The Russians have also been involved in all sorts of actions against our governments & democracies including meddling in elections etc. The situation is entirely different.

I think this has opened up the eyes of many people- after it all- it’s been all over social media.

In fact- it looks like social uproar has led the way with keeping spotlight on the Middle East and challenging the media to report.

Newspapers publish articles that attract clicks and even right wing newspapers are talking about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

We can tell.

Me too. I had no interest in and very little knowledge of Israel until they started bombing civilians indiscriminately.

Russian companies have already rightly been sanctioned by our governments

I haven’t found one yet but will let you know if I do. Not boycotting Jewish businesses just Israeli, there is a big difference

Isn't that handy? Damaging Jewish business and businesses with links to Jews- for the actions of their government. An app for everything these days isnt there?

I assume you've got a similar app for Russian, Saudi and Chinese businesses?

For anyone else who wants to express their opposition to the actions of the Israeli government, I found this today which I am going to use

the “No Thanks” app, which first appeared almost two years ago carrying a large list of companies and brands consumers might consider boycotting because of Israeli links.
The app has become a key tool for the BDS movement that targets Israel economically for the actions of its government and its military in Gaza.
Along with a list of companies and brands to boycott, the app allows users to scan barcodes to find out more about the relationship particular products have with Israel.

Well that would be some level of paranoia, I am just like most people saddened and very frustrated seeing international law being trashed and innocent civilians killed in a dystopian hell, normal human reaction. I am also horrified at the amount if posters on here trying to justify war crimes with misinformation and deflection

It’s not that I can’t, it’s more that I’m bored by your constant little deflections from the actual conversation.

If I were one of the Pro Pals who believe we are co-ordinating responses to deflect from what Netanyahu is doing in Gaza, I would be starting to wonder if you were a double agent.

so you can’t tell me what you mean when you constantly say “we”???

No.

@Twiglets1 you really do use the phrase “we” an awful lot, I never use that phrase to refer to other posters can you tell me what “we” refers too?

Exactly! When people state things we believe to be false of course we have to challenge that and it's not "nit-picking" to point out this figure is just someone's opinion (or co-authors opinion) & by no means mainstream thinking.

@Wedonttalkaboutboris must find every thread they post on gets derailed yet you see on other threads that pro Israel and pro Palestinian posters can debate perfectly amicably when everyone just sticks to the truth or clearly states that what they believe is their opinion.

I don’t know who the ‘everyone’ is that you’re referring to.

Nowhere have I ‘invented’ the death of 350,000+ children. A source has estimated that the death count of under 5’s could be as high as 380,000.

If you wish to make this point, make it without inventing the death of 350,000+ children. When people push back on a lie of that scale it's not nitpicking, its pointing out untruth.

Your argument would be more powerful if you stuck to the truth. Like everyone keeps telling you.

I agree- no one actually addresses the crux of what is being said. We’ve all agreed that it’s no longer about the hostages anymore, so Israel’s response currently hinges entirely on ‘self-defence’. I’m also struggling to see how their actions are making them any safer, unless the intention is to ensure that virtually no Palestinians are left who could pose a threat.