Trump offers hope for Gaza -let's hope Hamas accept?

So October 7th was an entirely unprovoked attack, was it? Israel are just there minding their own business, and Hamas terrorists attack for no reason at all.

No, that’s not right is it? Israel have been occupying Palestine illegally for decades.

Tell me, if Israel are doing nothing wrong and simply “defending themselves”, why won’t they allow journalists into Gaza? If you’re being accused of committing genocide and you’re NOT doing that, you would let journalists in to report the truth because you have nothing to hide.

In years to come I can promise you will be ashamed that you ever supported this.

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Agree. Hamas don't give a rat's arse about Palestinians anywhere, Gazans, or anyone else. They want what they want at whatever cost to any human life, and will never take responsibility for their tactics.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has ruled that Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories, including Gaza, is unlawful and that Israel must end its occupation. This ruling, delivered in an advisory opinion on July 19, 2024, stems from a request by the UN General Assembly to assess the legal consequences of Israel's policies and practices in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT). The ICJ emphasized that Israel's prolonged occupation, settlement activities, and actions in the OPT violate international law.

Tell the truth.

Hamas have agreed to release the hostages in return for a permanent ceasefire and Israels withdrawal from the Gaza strip. In any ceasefire agreement there has to be some kind of trust. If they break it then you deal with it.

you also can’t ignore the way Hamas treats Gazans. Hamas are oppressors - AWFUL oppressors - why aren’t you calling for liberation from Hamas?

If Palestinians want to liberate themselves from Hamas then that's fantastic. What Israel are doing though isnt that. They aren't doing Palestinians any kind of favour. Keeping Palestinians trapped in a small area of Gaza, forcing them to queue for food from some shady for profit enterprise, forcing them to live in unsanitary overcrowded conditions without proper access to medical care is not some kind of liberation.

What Israel wants to do will not lead to lasting peace. Peace does not come from oppression, change does not come from oppression.

Jesus.

They haven't been occupying Gaza for 20 years. They pulled out in 2005. They forcibly pulled out every last Jew to leave Gaza to be run by Palestinians.

They are back in Gaza now because of October 7.

If October 7 hadn't have happened 57k Palestinians would still be alive.

Fit the facts into your narrative otherwise dont bother commenting.

• why aren’t you calling for liberation from Hamas?

Absolutely this. But are Hamas really in control in Gaza now? It looks to me that Israel are. They are controlling everything. Hamas and what they do will in my opinion not change the day to day reality of what is happening to Palestinians in Gaza now. Ceasefire and hostage release yes but Palestinians must be free from this control.

And what about the tens of thousands of innocent civilians that Israel has slaughtered in the last 18 months? Israel doesn’t get to claim to be the innocent party here - they have been occupying Gaza illegally for 20 years. They are the aggressor, not the victim.

Again - if Hamas will not surrender and stop fighting - what do you think will happen if Israel puts down arms?

there are STILL hostages being held.

you can’t just pretend that Hamas doesn’t exist in an analysis of this situation.

you also can’t ignore the way Hamas treats Gazans. Hamas are oppressors - AWFUL oppressors - why aren’t you calling for liberation from Hamas?

No we don't.

And the BBC article even says Israel has not agreed to the terms either.

This is just Trump spouting his usual nonsense. Hopefully in the background some serious negotiations are taking place to end the fighting.

Don't you see that if you keep people locked up in a tiny part of Gaza without adequate anything it doesn't matter about Hamas. A lot Palestinians will rightly hate Israel, there will be another Hamas, there will be more violence and bloodshed. Young men will grow up in this cage with vengeance in their souls. Treat people like caged animals and that's the energy you will get in return.

I agree. I really hope peace prevails.

I worry that it could lead to a more extreme group too.
I just hope hope hope that turns out not to be the case.

Crazy.

Its literally a thread about hope for a ceasefire and asking if Hamas should accept...

'Yes, of course Hamas should accept and fuck off forever '

I would have thought it'd be a very easy one to agree with.

where does the Hamas fit into your narrative? It launched a brutal war on Israel on October 7 in the most horrific way. It continues to want to destroy Israel. It’s just been very unsuccessful.

I'm not sure if Hamas going is a solution, considering that Netanyahu has stated that he's financing and supporting a rival, more extreme, Isis like group. I'd be worried that a vacuum might lead to a worse, more chaotic solution.
Also Hamas have to be involved in negotiations. As unpalatable, hard, hurtful as it is for both sides: as we see from previous experiences, not just in the Middle East, it has to start.
I hope it does and peace comes.
(Also I don't think the ongoing blockade continuing could be on the table honestly).

The complete absence of any reference to Hamas by the Pro Pal wunderkids continuously astounds me.

Control on what and who goes in and out of Gaza yes, but they ( Hamas ) had control of what happened in Gaza. How the aid was spent. Politics, elections. Education. All their focus was still on murdering Jews, and we ended up with 7 October. You could make a powerful argument that Gaza wasn't under enough of a blockade. Hamas chose 7 October, never forget, they freely chose what they did. It wasn't an open air prison. There was restaurants, family homes, employment, much much more, until Hamas chose to destroy it.
Its very hard to know how to rebuild yes. But it is possible. There will be aid. There will be help. But it all hangs on proper leadership forming in the vacuum Hamas will leave.

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They didn’t even have any control over their own land - Israel controlled all movement in and out of Gaza. Hard to know how Palestinians are expected to rebuild themselves when Israel has put them in what can only be described as an open air prison.

Do we know what the terms of ceasefire are?

Its all very well saying they have agreed to what they want, but what have they actually agreed to…

It wasn't Israel that broke the ceasefire on 7 October was it? Quite a big one, that.

Yes Gaza is not the same.
My hope is more for a leader to come who wants peace with Israel and prosperity for their own people.
I think they'd have to be prepared to put up with a few more years of blockade etc in order to build trust but I believe it can happen.
Israel needs to have leadership that wants peace too, I do get that.
First of all, Hamas needs to go. Once that oppression of opposition is gone, perhaps moderates can rise.

But it’s always Israel that breaks the ceasefire. Sometimes not even ceasing fire at all. Last time there were several ‘random’ shootings during the ceasefire.

Quite.

It's crazy, Palestinians should ensure a decent standard of living for themselves in 10% of Gaza where they aren't allowed control over their own food or proper sanitation. If they play nice in their little disease ridden camps for years then maybe the survivors can be free from oppression. That sounds like 'peace' to some people. It's sick.