Trump offers hope for Gaza -let's hope Hamas accept?

I have no idea what you are on about to be honest.

@Monicaca There’s a difference between taking an interest and basing your entire political view point on a single issue.

Corbyn’s new party will spilt the vote even further, allowing the Labour majority to be eroded and giving Farage further gains.

I am completely convinced now that this is a deliberate tactic to allow the election of a right wing minority government in this country.

I feel for Gaza but I am alarmed at how easily and quickly so many people on the left have made this issue their main talking point in politics. Is peace in Gaza more important that the stability of our own government? I see lots of people who seem to think so.

It’s not going to last. One side will break it within days or weeks at the most.

Don't let facts get in the way!

The op article says they’ve agreed to it

I've never heard of anyone claiming noone had been killed. That would be ridiculous. Its true that jornalists arent allowed in but I have no reason to believe that the footage of living Palestinians that we see every day is fabricated and not even Hamas have claimed that more than a small proportion of the entire population has been killed. I know people love to make stuff up and lob in wild hyperbole on these threads but I wonder if they really think people fall for it.

Yes it looks wonderful there no one being bombed or killed. Israel currently bans foreign journalists from independent reporting in Gaza

Do you not watch tv? There is footage of Palestinians every day on the news. You are consuming some sort of gross misinformation certainly if you think even a large proprtion of the population has been killed. The vast majority of the population of gaza is still alive and not starving either. Obviously exact stats are difficult but there are over 2 million people in Gaza, a slight decline since the beginning of the war.

Yes fancy people taking an interest in a political situation in a country they have never been to. Personally, I have actually been to Palestine. I worked there for 3 months. No idea how you managed to link that to Farage as PM🤷🏻‍♀️

Is there anyone alive in Gaza still or have they all been bombed and starved? Ripe and ready for Tump’s redevelopment as a holiday destination

These threads are so funny. People arguing endlessly about a country they have never been to, cultures they aren’t part of and a situation they have no personal experience of. All based on videos they have seen online. It is bonkers.

As bonkers as the people in this country who want to bring down a government based on their perceived reaction to a situation that barely anyone in the U.K. has first hand knowledge of.

Well done guys. It looks like we can look forward to Prime Minister Farage because of this shit. I have lots of sympathy with the people of Gaza but I am not prepared to give up my country or the well being of my family to support them.

The world has gone complete insane.

I still can’t work out if you are for real.

Gaza aid contractor tells BBC he saw colleagues fire on hungry Palestinians

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvmry71q5yo.amp

Israel doesn’t want ceasefire. It suits their agenda to destabilise the region which is why BN helped Hamas into power. A tiny detail which seems to be forgotten. BN doesn’t want negotiations.

https://www.thejournal.ie/hamas-gaza-ceasefire-talks-israel-strikes-6753740-Jul2025/

Tentatively positive direction for the negotiations.

@1dayatatime They have explained. Because Israel controls so much of Gaza’s borders and resources, it can be considered an occupying power and therefore has a duty to protect civilians.

Egypt has allowed some cross for healthcare too but you are quite right that both Egypt and Israel have imposed the devastating blockade though. Many countries are working with Israel and facilitating these atrocities, I 100% agree with you. That’s why putting pressure on international governments is so important.

@NWL

"Let's be honest here - is this because the Egyptians aren't Jewish?"

"That doesn’t work anymore I’m afraid when it comes to highlighting Israel’s actions.

Considering Palestinians are from what is now Israel, using whataboutery to justify how they are treated in their own homeland isn’t really a strong enough argument"

OK if your reason has nothing to do with religion then what is your reason then for falsely stating that only Israel controlled all movement in and out of Gaza and what is your reason for incorrectly stating that Israel put them in an "open air prison" when Israel allowed movement to Israel for work / healthcare - something that Egypt did not.

It's either
A) a lack of geographical knowledge
B) something else "special" about the Egyptians.

I wouldn't say that Netanyahu gives a rat arse about Palestinians, or the Israeli hostages still in Gaza either. No one in power does.

The ability of humans beings to dehumanise people and dismiss their suffering is terrifying.

This isn't a football match where you have to pick a side and blindly follow it, shutting your eyes to the destruction your chosen side caused.

I could be one of the stop the genocide folk and pro Palestinian extremists you refer to. I'm against the genocide. Believe me I won't be disappointed if hostilities cease, it's what I wanted all along. I won't be pivoting to anything except that Gaza is left alone, it's suffered enough. Let it try to get back to some kind of normality.
Same for the hostages.
I'd also like the incursions into the West Bank to stop. I don't think Israel should be doing this in breach of international law. And I honestly don't think these incursions are in the best interest of Israel.
I'm not mourning the heavy defeats of Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah. Syria? I'll be honest I'm not too sure about the ex Isis leader. I'm very wary of any Isis like emergence. But I'm hopeful for peace. We have to stay hopeful for peace for everyone. And to give peace a chance.

Let's be honest here - is this because the Egyptians aren't Jewish?

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That doesn’t work anymore I’m afraid when it comes to highlighting Israel’s actions.

Considering Palestinians are from what is now Israel, using whataboutery to justify how they are treated in their own homeland isn’t really a strong enough argument.

@NWL

"They didn’t even have any control over their own land - Israel controlled all movement in and out of Gaza. Hard to know how Palestinians are expected to rebuild themselves when Israel has put them in what can only be described as an open air prison."

Please have a look at a map of Gaza and see that Gaza also has a border with Egypt.

Prior to 7th October, Israel allowed much greater movement of Gazans to come to Israel to work and for health care than Egypt which had much tougher restrictions on Gazans crossing at Rafah.

So why do you incorrectly state that only Israel controlled all movement in and out of Gaza and why do you incorrectly state that Israel put them in an "open air prison" when Israel allowed movement to Israel for work / healthcare - something that was never allowed by Egypt.

Let's be honest here - is this because the Egyptians aren't Jewish?

On 6 October the 2 sides were not fighting. There were no Jews in Gaza. There were increasing numbers of permits for Gazans to work in Israel.
On 7 October Hamas invaded Israel in the most heinous way- by targeting civilians. You tell me what the kids at that party did to provoke Hamas? You tell me what the peace workers did? You tell me what the people living on kibbutzes did? I'll tell you, if you can't admit it to yourself. They provoked Hamas by merely being Jewish in Israel.

You might ask me what all the innocent Palestinians did to provoke Israel. But the difference is Israel is targeting Hamas and killing civilians in the process.

It was interesting to hear on one of these threads that the US / UK saw 30 civilians dying as the upper limit to justify an attack on Iraqi figures. I wonder what Israels corresponding upper limit is? Is there even one? When the militants promise they will repeat 7 October again and again? I'm guessing they've calculated Hamas has to go at any cost to Palestinian life. Absolutely 100% brutal. But perhaps theyre thinking in terms of future Israeli citizen lives saved.

In contrast, those Palestinian civilians killed in the last few days in Israeli strikes targeting some Hamas member- every one of those people would still be alive if Hamas had surrendered 3 days ago. Its utterly pointless, needless death.

Unless of course, Hamas actually wants the death of its own. In which case continung this farce of a war becomes logical. The more Palestinian death, the more hatred of Israel they can drum up.

I can't think of a similar situation in history where the losers have suffered such a compressive loss, so much destruction and death- and still have not surrendered. They love death more than life.

When will Hamas surrender? Return the hostages, disband, go into exile, whatever? Whats the price theyre holding out for?

Absolutely . We will certainly reach a point where everyone was always against this.

Let’s hope it is a good ceasefire deal - one that will lead to an enduring peace. Unfortunately I fear it will not be. The Israeli government seem determined to remain in Gaza now and keep the Palestinians curtailed in a small area. It will take immense international pressure to get them to change path and we haven’t seen that pressure.