Trump offers hope for Gaza -let's hope Hamas accept?

I can understand that argument, though I cannot vouch whether systematic destruction or incidental destruction has happened.
The services certainly have been destroyed, no doubt about that.
Hamas accepting the ceasefire will stop any further destruction and allow reconstruction to begin.
It’s in their hands, and they should be happy that a ceasefire is even being offered.
They are in no position to negotiate.

I don’t really understand your point. I am pointing out how the argument for genocide is being made.

Hamas are a terrible government to have in charge that is also true.

i’m not sure what the average Gazan is supposed to do to “look after their own” . Civilians are truly in a desperate situation.

And Hamas and the Gazans total failure to look after their own population?

Er no. They certainly didn't mention religion in any of their manifestos, mostly a potted history of their work and achievements.
Voting on faith grounds or party grounds for that matter isn't what I do.

So if your local mp was supporting the sale of arms to a country that was bombing Jewish people it wouldn't be a factor in how you voted?

The argument for genocide is not just being made on the numbers being killed. It is also the evidence that Israel has systematically targeted the basics needed for life - the water system, the food production system, the healthcare system, the education system, people’s home and now access to food and other aid. All resulting in conditions that will lead to death and suffering, even if the war stops tomorrow.

I've never used faith as a deciding factor in my vote, unless my prospective MP claimed to be an enthusiastic Satanist, then I might have some reservations.

Less than 1.5% of the civilian population have been killed. Some 30,000 people.
Terrible numbers.
However it’s a war. Taken in context of fighting a war in a densely populated area, where there is not that much evacuation, and the opposing terrorist force are dressed as civilians and are in amongst real civilians, then the statistics prove the IDF are being exceptionally restrained in their assaults.
Have the IDF committed war crimes? No doubt they have.
Is the IDF a genocidal army running wild? Obviously not.
This is not a genocide.

I see your point. But I don’t think Gaza will ever become the main talking point. Labour is disappointing lefter voters for all sorts of reasons.

Harris didn’t not get in because of Gaza, she didn’t get in for lots of reasons but mainly because she didn’t seem to think that change was necessary.

I think left leaning parties have lost touch with their base generally.

But no real national impact. Pretty sure if I was Muslim and witnessed the complete disregard for the life of other Muslims it would impact my vote but 6.5% of the population in the UK is Muslim so it is very unlikely it will ever greatly influence national politics to the extent the poster is suggesting. People for the main part vote on what is best for their personal economic situation

It was in some constituencies and Labour lost votes in areas with significant muslim populations.

There was a general election last year. Gaza was not the main talking point for the election so no idea why you keep banging on about it as a concern. There is not another general election until 2029.

I am baffled by this view point. You’d give up a free and fair country for everyone in the U.K. to wade into another country’s war based on things you been told online by strangers?
You seem to be twisting this posters words they did not at any point say any of that.

I really hope you're wrong and that the Right isnt actually this smart or organized. This concerns me a lot too.

@Monicaca what is it about Gaza that should make it 'the main talking point" in UK politics? Why is it more important than other human rights crises and conflicts hapoening now in the world? What is it about this conflict?

So you would give up a reasonable government in favour of right wing rule so that more people would be discussing Gaza.

I am baffled by this view point. You’d give up a free and fair country for everyone in the U.K. to wade into another country’s war based on things you been told online by strangers? Absolutely unbelievable.

I think it’s great if Gaza becomes a main talking point but doubt it. It will be about “the boat people” as usual.

That is even more frightening. If Gaza becomes a main talking point for an election then it will split the vote even further.

What is happening is awful but there is little that European governments can do vs Trump’s America, China and Iran.

What is guaranteed is that Reform voters do not care about Gaza. And Reform will
continue to hoover up votes from (sadly the majority) of people who don’t give a stuff about Gaza. If local and national elections become all about this (and they are being pushed that way) then this Labour government will be short lived.

It could very easily happen here. Maybe people should think about that.

You do know that there are not just left wing people who care about Gaza? My DH is a Tory voter as are many of our friends and completely aligned with me politically over Gaza.

Remember that the Us finds itself with a totalitarian government because liberals would not vote for Kamala because her stance on Gaza was seen as too weak. What a spectacular own goal.

And now sick children are being held in detention centres and deported without their families.

Right, but the bin collections aren’t what you’ll give up if the political left splits enough to allow Reform to win enough seats to form a coalition with the Conservatives.

You lose your reproductive rights, benefits, the NHS, maternity leave and the poor and disabled will be fucked.

Gaza is awful. But there is very little we can do about it from here. We have no control over their governments. Our government cannot force a peace. Going online to further inflame divisions only continues the cycle that perpetuates the violence. Some of the online campaigning has become very extreme. I worry that people have lost all sense of proportion.

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I don’t see where anyone is making that an entire political point of view, but yes I care more about Gaza than I care about how often my bins are collected.

I’m writing to you because you answers my first post. And I am just pointing out that caring about Gaza is fine but making it an entire political point of view is going to lead to destabilisation of the British government. It is already happening.

Idk why you are writing this to me as if I am some sort of Trump supporter and only care about Gaza. I do care about Gaza a lot. I think everyone should if you have humanity.

@Monicaca And that is part of the problem. Trump isn’t wading out of the goodness of his heart. He’s keeping the fires of division burning because it is good for the right wing narrative.

Making a free Palestine a western political campaign amongst left wing voters is a tactic. Anyone doubling down on this view point is sleep walking into fascism.