Trump offers hope for Gaza -let's hope Hamas accept?

The former first minister of Scotland, Humza Yousaf

‘They’re not building a humanitarian city. They’re building a slaughterhouse. That’s what Israel’s defence minister has just announced- a plan to forcibly move Palestinians into what they’re calling a humanitarian city. Built on the ruins of Rafah. Let’s call it what it really is, a modern day internment camp. This isn’t about safety. It’s about control, containment, collective punishment. It’s about taking a population already starved, bombed and brutalised and herding them into a man-made prison with simply no way out.

And remember, this is the same Israeli government that has repeatedly ignored international law. The same Israeli government that has systematically targeted civilians, hospitals and workers and journalists. You think that they’re the ones who are suddenly concerned with humanitarian care? No. This is a staging ground for more bloodshed. A death trap disguised as compassion. We are watching in real time the architecture of genocide with bulldozers instead of barbed wire. This isn’t a safe zone. It’s a siege zone. And the worst part? They’ll dress it up in the language of aid and expect the world to clap.

Don’t be fooled. Dont let them rename oppression as mercy. this isn’t a humanitarian city. It’s a crime scene under construction.’

https://www.theleopard.eu/p/those-who-hate-the-west

Gone down quite the rabbit hole on your link🙂

am googling Sam Wilkins and his wisdom...

Sorry for falling for people being killed. What is incredible is lack of any humanity on these threads. Death of anyone regardless of faith is terrible but shame there’s not more empathy for Gazans. Enjoy your echo chamber

There are many people of colour also involved in pro Palestinian activism in the west. The article ignores their experience. Probably because it’s easier to caricature white westerners and view them as some homogeneous mass with an omni-cause.

...which you've identified by their faith. There are rather a lot of conflicts between different faith groups going on at the moment, I'd prefer not to transfer them to a country that is the home of many faiths, it won't end well.

But its talking about its popularity among white westerners here. Thats the point. It wasnt an article sbout pro-Pals in Pakistan or wherever. It absolutely is a pertinent point about pro-Pal activism in the west.

I don’t think this is a good article. It could make for interesting reading about the “Omnicause” in modern day activism. Which would be interesting and valid. But instead It has a condescending tone and feels more that it is trying to undermine people talking about Gaza than actually caring about strategic activism.

Also have an issue generally with writers like this and others who solely talk the pro Palestinian cause as something white westerners do, I guess so they can dismiss it as being “woke” or “trendy” but they ignore that actually it’s a worldwide movement with multi ethnicities involved. I haven’t articulated that very well but it something that I am noticing more and more.

Thank you for the link.

I expect you gave a formulaic answer.
I gave my honest answer

I glanced at your article but I'm unsure what relevance it has to me. I don't fly any Palestinian flag or drape myself in any. I'm commenting on a thread about the conflict. I think there's a massive difference between mainstream concern for what we see happening to innocent civilians in Gaza and those that centre Palestine in everything. There is also a disconnect between some western government policies on the conflict and public opinion on it which is causing increasing vocal frustration.

You may still disagree with me, but not everybody does. There are many people who care deeply about left-coded social causes, from active transport to workers’ rights, who are uncomfortable being part of a crowd that might at any point start shouting antisemitic slogans.[2] If the point of activism is to build a coalition for social change, then repelling these people counts as a failure.
This paragraph is important because I do not believe the majority of people would be comfortable in a crowd shouting antisemitic slogans but none of us can be responsible for actions of a few.

It is discussing the activist left which in reality is a minority. Most people are centrist and will shift one way or the other depending on how it will impact them or align with their values.

I honestly could not imagine that there would not be any international uproar and military support to Israel if what was happening to Palestinians in Gaza was happening to Israelis. And I continually ask myself why.

I wasn't talking about "faith" I was talking about policies and how they impact different communities

No, no memory whatsoever, sorry. I expect you gave a formulaic answer.

Anyway, here is a good article on the problem with centring Palestine in everything, and the problem with the people who do it.

open.substack.com/pub/theleopardeu/p/everything-is-palestine?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=7ave2

I don't vote based on faith. You can be as sure as you like, but I think you've created a reality in your head that just doesn't exist.

The agreement involved releasing the hostages. Hamas won't do that.

Not tracking you just notice this pattern about you. You may well have long forgotten but you've directed the "why Gaza"at me before.

but at the same time not understanding anything I write
I understand you perfectly fine

You seem to be tracking me, but at the same time not understanding anything I write.

It's likely to be similar to every other poster you have questioned on this. You're the one that seems to have a major issues with people caring about what happens to Palestinians. Which makes me question why.

You've totally missed the point. Why would a party mention religion in their manifesto? It's about a parties policy in relation to a conflict that is killing people in a majority Muslim country. As I said I'm sure if a candidate in your constituency supported the sale of arms to a country that was bombing Israel you wouldn't support them.

Lets hear @Monicaca 's answer then?

Hence the protests that break through occasionally. Gazans have been suffering at the hands of other gazans since Hamas took over when Israel withdrew. Yet 'free Gaza from Hamas' weirdly never takes off.

The point is that Israel does not have sole responsibility to look after Gazans. The complete absence of reference to the way Gazans are treating other Gazans is baffling. Much of the suffering is caused by other Gazans.

We could have just bombed them all is not an argument that would hold up in a court of law.

@HellsBalls hopefully a good ceasefire will be agreed.

This part of the conversation was in response to the ludicrous suggestion by a pp that nearly everyone in gaza had been killed. The reason for saying that is obviously to impky genocide. Of course genocide is about more than numbers, it is about intent. But if you had the capacity to kill.everyone, which Iarael undoubtedly does, and also the intent, which lots of people believe , then the numbers do suggest they arent achieving their aims.