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Israeli flag flyers threatened with arrest after being attacked by Pro-Palestine mob.

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PickyBits · 24/06/2025 22:56

This is just unbelievable. These ‘protesters’ are being given free rein to threaten and assault pro-Israelis (Jewish) because ‘there’s 500 of them and 2 of you’.

Police not interested in doing their job, which is upholding the law I thought?

Just sickening that this country has come to this.

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Echobelly · 25/06/2025 21:29

Even worse, many settlers seem to be people who have come to Israel from other countries with the express purpose of stealing land from Palestinians, knowing they will be enabled by the government and army. I'd love to see all those scumbags deported and never allowed back - will never happen though.

Whatsinanamehey · 25/06/2025 21:15

Around a hundred Israeli settlers just went on a rampage a short while ago in a Palestinian village terrorising the Palestinians. They torched homes and vehicles and when the IDF arrived they did nothing to stop it and also fired at the Palestinians. Three Palestinians have just been killed, many others injured. All added and abetted by the state of Israel. Yet you won't hear much about these hundred Israeli terrorists because they are Israeli. This has been ongoing for decades. Far too often, Israeli and Jewish terrorism against Palestinians isn't called out for what it is. This is terrorism carried out in the name of zionism. To harass Palestinians so much that they are left with no choice but to leave their land and homes for settlers to then steal.

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 21:08

PickyBits · 25/06/2025 20:53

But the Palestinians elected Hamas. You want them to have self determination yes, so what was Israel to do in that situation back in 2006?

Can you imagine the global condemnation if Israel had gone in to dismantle Hamas then without an attack like Oct 7th having taken place.

Look at the global outrage when Israel went in AFTER Oct 7th.

Quite duplicitous to make Hamas the fault of Israel while ignoring that Palestinians voted them in.

Did they not have their own agency?

Yes but you have to look at the factors which led up to Hamas gaining in popularity and being elected AFTER the Oslo agreement. . You also wrote as if Israel sat on the fence until the 7th of October. Hamas did not start their suicide missions first. It was an Israeli suicide bomber who blew himself up in a mosque in Hebron killing dozens of praying muslims and so it went on…..

PickyBits · 25/06/2025 20:53

Madcatdudette · 25/06/2025 19:10

Yes, they supported Gaza and Hamas against Abbas.
Israel acknowledged that dealing and aiding Hamas blew up in their faces after the 7/10 massacre.

But the Palestinians elected Hamas. You want them to have self determination yes, so what was Israel to do in that situation back in 2006?

Can you imagine the global condemnation if Israel had gone in to dismantle Hamas then without an attack like Oct 7th having taken place.

Look at the global outrage when Israel went in AFTER Oct 7th.

Quite duplicitous to make Hamas the fault of Israel while ignoring that Palestinians voted them in.

Did they not have their own agency?

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dairydebris · 25/06/2025 19:56

Whatsinanamehey · 25/06/2025 19:53

There's links with the flag and Israeli terror groups like the hilltop youth too and others. Some who have been sanctioned by our government. Are we going to ignore that?

Nope. Totally agree. Can understand why people would make those connections.

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 19:55

Madcatdudette · 25/06/2025 19:10

Yes, they supported Gaza and Hamas against Abbas.
Israel acknowledged that dealing and aiding Hamas blew up in their faces after the 7/10 massacre.

And now they are at it again, arming groups opposed to Hamas but not necessarily who you want at the helm either. The Israeli government doesn’t want a stable Palestine other countries will negotiate with. They do not want a 2 state solution and are sabotaging it. The key to move forward is a new government in Israel who won’t support extremism on the Palestine side.

Whatsinanamehey · 25/06/2025 19:53

There's links with the flag and Israeli terror groups like the hilltop youth too and others. Some who have been sanctioned by our government. Are we going to ignore that?

dairydebris · 25/06/2025 19:42

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 25/06/2025 19:11

Well that's why it made no sense if you followed the posts it was clear I was talking about the Palestinian flag not islamists terror groups but the poster I was quoting was equating the two together which I was objecting to

And I was pointing out that there is indeed a link between the Palestinian flag and Islamic terrorism.

Just off the top of my head here's a list of Palestinian Islamic terrorist groups-

Black September
Fatah
PLO
Hamas
Palestinian Islamic Jihad

Terrorist activities commited include suicide bombings, hijackings, rape, car bombs, assinations, hostage taking. Not all attacks have been commited in Israeli or Palestinian territories.

It's disingenuous in the extreme to suggest there is no link at all between Palestine and Islamic terrorism.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 25/06/2025 19:11

dairydebris · 25/06/2025 18:57

I don't know whether the flag would trigger those people. I've never been caught up in attack or suffered ptsd or anything like that. I wouldn't like to speak for the victims. My post was purely to point out that there is a link between violent terrorist attacks commited in the name of Islam.

Well that's why it made no sense if you followed the posts it was clear I was talking about the Palestinian flag not islamists terror groups but the poster I was quoting was equating the two together which I was objecting to

Madcatdudette · 25/06/2025 19:10

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 18:14

Did you read my earlier post ? NBs government themselves were indirectly supporters of Hamas and helped them establish themselves. Crazy isn’t it, but actually true. I don’t think anyone should post if they are not aware of this.

Yes, they supported Gaza and Hamas against Abbas.
Israel acknowledged that dealing and aiding Hamas blew up in their faces after the 7/10 massacre.

dairydebris · 25/06/2025 18:57

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 25/06/2025 18:45

So where does the flag come in? That's my issue. A poster saying the Palestinian flag was a trigger for people caught up in Manchester bombings. Do you agree? Are the Palestinians responsible for it all? Don't oh come on me I know exactly what posters are trying to do here.

I don't know whether the flag would trigger those people. I've never been caught up in attack or suffered ptsd or anything like that. I wouldn't like to speak for the victims. My post was purely to point out that there is a link between violent terrorist attacks commited in the name of Islam.

dairydebris · 25/06/2025 18:50

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 18:44

I think you are insulting yourself. If you don’t have a lot of insight or knowledge about something, it’s always better to sit back, read all the posts and educate yourself.‘I don’t know why I am still responding to you. I won’t again!

Do you honestly think mumsnet is the place to come for insight and knowledge?! Thats concerning, to be honest. Can I suggest books, perhaps?
I'm not really sure why youre responding either, you keep saying you won't! If you'd like to actually engage with any of what I'm saying rather than just attempt to insult me then I'm happy to chat 😊

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 25/06/2025 18:45

dairydebris · 25/06/2025 18:05

Oh come on.

One Islamist nutjob has a link to other Islamist nutjobs. You might not feel comfortable admitting it but most people know it.

Palestine has a history of islamist nutjobs committing terrorist atrocities. Its ok to admit it, its the truth.

So where does the flag come in? That's my issue. A poster saying the Palestinian flag was a trigger for people caught up in Manchester bombings. Do you agree? Are the Palestinians responsible for it all? Don't oh come on me I know exactly what posters are trying to do here.

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 18:44

I think you are insulting yourself. If you don’t have a lot of insight or knowledge about something, it’s always better to sit back, read all the posts and educate yourself.‘I don’t know why I am still responding to you. I won’t again!

dairydebris · 25/06/2025 18:39

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 18:35

No I am not making the mistake to engage with you anymore. Something to do about nutjob.

So basically, you've insulted me personally 3 times but haven't engaged at all with the content of any of my posts. You'll notice I haven't insulted you at all, just explained my point of view clearly.

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 18:35

dairydebris · 25/06/2025 18:31

Which part was ignorant? Point out just one part of what I said that was ignorant?

No I am not making the mistake to engage with you anymore. Something to do about nutjob.

quantumbutterfly · 25/06/2025 18:32

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Crikey the Arab nations must be quaking in their boots in anticipation, and as for all those other colonising nations, it'll never stop.

dairydebris · 25/06/2025 18:31

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 18:27

All of it. Very ignorant.

Which part was ignorant? Point out just one part of what I said that was ignorant?

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 18:27

All of it. Very ignorant.

dairydebris · 25/06/2025 18:23

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 18:22

Frightening. Are you Katie Hopkins or one of her fans ?

Which part of what I said was frightening?

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 18:22

dairydebris · 25/06/2025 18:17

Its not 'They're all brown, they're all the same',

Its 'They're all Islamist nutjobs, they're similar'.

There's some key differences there.

One is to do with the color of your skin which you were born with and cannot change, and one is to do with a belief system that you choose that allows for violence in support of political or ideological ideas in the name of an otherwise peaceful religion.

I hope that helps you.

Frightening. Are you Katie Hopkins or one of her fans ?

dairydebris · 25/06/2025 18:17

Twisterpiggy · 25/06/2025 18:11

This is very they’re all brown, they’re all the same.

Extremists in Gaza and extremists in Syria don’t even have the same agenda.

Its not 'They're all brown, they're all the same',

Its 'They're all Islamist nutjobs, they're similar'.

There's some key differences there.

One is to do with the color of your skin which you were born with and cannot change, and one is to do with a belief system that you choose that allows for violence in support of political or ideological ideas in the name of an otherwise peaceful religion.

I hope that helps you.

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 18:14

Madcatdudette · 25/06/2025 18:12

An arrest warrant is indeed out there for Israeli officials. There are also many outstanding warrants out for Islamic war criminals.
IMHO if Israel doesn’t comply with Trump, NB will feel the wrath of the US. It’s unlikely but not impossible.
I will always have empathy for victims of a regime. When the movement associated with supporting a regime becomes proscribed; and people defend them, I think they are a danger.
If Palestine demonstrations were protests against the governments I would be on board.
Denial of Hamas and Iran’s intent is a massive red flag.
Talk of ‘grassroots’ after reading Action Palestine website infers a support of the obliteration of Israel.
I don’t support obliteration of any country, Israel or Arab.

Did you read my earlier post ? NBs government themselves were indirectly supporters of Hamas and helped them establish themselves. Crazy isn’t it, but actually true. I don’t think anyone should post if they are not aware of this.

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 18:12

Twisterpiggy · 25/06/2025 18:11

This is very they’re all brown, they’re all the same.

Extremists in Gaza and extremists in Syria don’t even have the same agenda.

To be honest I would just ignore these type of posters. It’s not worth it.

Madcatdudette · 25/06/2025 18:12

PhilomenaPunk · 25/06/2025 16:00

You seem very disillusioned to be honest. I thought the same way as you for a long time, but I have now come to the conclusion that every action matters, however small. I have to be able to live with my conscience, and it is important to stand up and be heard and hold your government to account.

And the Palestine marches are doing something. There is an arrest warrant for BN. That is huge. Grass roots action works. Sanctions and divestments work. They have been used successfully thousands of times.

Our sense of care does not have to be finite. I am just as able to care about ending Israeli occupation in Palestine as I am about women’s rights and ending animal abuse etc.

An arrest warrant is indeed out there for Israeli officials. There are also many outstanding warrants out for Islamic war criminals.
IMHO if Israel doesn’t comply with Trump, NB will feel the wrath of the US. It’s unlikely but not impossible.
I will always have empathy for victims of a regime. When the movement associated with supporting a regime becomes proscribed; and people defend them, I think they are a danger.
If Palestine demonstrations were protests against the governments I would be on board.
Denial of Hamas and Iran’s intent is a massive red flag.
Talk of ‘grassroots’ after reading Action Palestine website infers a support of the obliteration of Israel.
I don’t support obliteration of any country, Israel or Arab.

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