Protesters in London - stop bombing Iran?????

When did Israeli civilians take up arms, garden hoes etc to slaughter civilians?

Civilians haven't.

The IDF are targeting Hamas. It’s not revenge, they are fighting a war that Hamas started.
If Hamas surrendered the war would end, immediately.
Hamas could end the war today.
Why does everyone blame the IDF for trying to protect their people from the terrorists next door?

If 56000 deaths isnt revenge for Israels 1250 deaths, what is it then? Its ridiculous to say its not revenge. The world sees this for what it is, no matter what the deluded on mumsnet think.

Exactly.

I’m obviously aware of the holocaust but that had nothing to do with Palestinians. So what “longer standing oppression” faced by Jews are you referring to in this context? @Dangermoo

I guess it's hard to tell how many Hamas are dead, with such high numbers posing as civilians.

They are literally enacting revenge for 7/10 at this moment and have been for 20 months.

That was my inference based on Israel saying they don’t target civilians and they have incredibly low ratio of civilians vs combatants in the death count.
I’m with you - that’s a fucking ridiculous statement with so many children dead.

Either hamas are dead, or it is an intentional civilian slaughter.

Just as well that very Israeli didn't decide to enact revenge for 7/10 and the longer standing oppression faced by Jews.

Certainly all the Hamas operatives wont be dead by now. Some of them are just being born. This genocide by Israel towards the Palestinians, together with the settler violence on the west bank, will undoubtedly produce more hamas operatives in the future which will affect every country that supported this, us included most certainty. Its actually terrifying. The world will feel the repercussions if this for years to come. And antisemitism will keep increasing, even though many many jews are totally against the actions of Israel.
And don't bother saying im condoning antisemitism. Im certainty not.

Its very short sighted to think every young Palestinian bombed out their homes..repeatedly...seen their families frienda and neighbours mudered or injured, been starved and denied schooling, medical treatment and experienced pure injustice, won't grow up with a murderous rage inside them.

And who can blame them.

CBA to go back and find the post, where somebody reckoned all Hamas operatives must be dead by now. There aren't enough eye rolls for this naivety.

That would be most difficult, since they are both dead. Ridiculous analogy.

What an arrogant twonk that person is.

Funny.

They would be criticised if they didn’t investigate the claims.

No. With a disabled husband, can’t waste the energy tbh.

One of his companions said;

'I do not accept that any Jew should be frightened to walk the streets of London and I don’t believe the people who say they feel unsafe in London.'

That depends on the question being asked. Stephen Kapos maintains that there was no antisemitism in the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn, that the accusations were totally false - and fabricated in order to drive out left-wing ideas and leaders from the party. Kapos also maintains that there is no antisemitism on the marches. Is he lying on these points? Quite possibly.

Well noone can properly make a statement like "there was no antisemitism in the Labour Party" without intimately knowing every single Labour party member, or "there is no antisemitism on the marches" without witnessing the minutiae of every single human interaction on every single march. So I'm skeptical that this is actually what he said. If it is, then it certainly exceeds the bounds of verifiable fact.

If OTOH he simply pointed out that allegations of antisemitism in Corbyn's Labour or on the marches were weaponised for political purposes far beyond their substance, then no he's obviously not lying.

Stephen Kapos, a holocaust survivor is always at these marches and often speaks. Is he a liar?

That depends on the question being asked. Stephen Kapos maintains that there was no antisemitism in the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn, that the accusations were totally false - and fabricated in order to drive out left-wing ideas and leaders from the party. Kapos also maintains that there is no antisemitism on the marches. Is he lying on these points? Quite possibly.

Some background information;
Kapos was an active member of the Labour Party in Keir Starmer's local branch until he resigned in early 2023. He was also a member of Momentum. Kapos had previously clashed with Starmer on a motion/debate regarding antisemitism within the party and he was also threatened with likely expulsion if he took part in an event organised by Socialist Labour Network, one of the proscribed Labour groups, so he resigned. In his resignation letter (which he published), Kapos said he was an active member of the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign - he stated elsewhere that he had been a member since 2015.

In an interview (with Middle East Eye on TikTok), Kapos was asked what “From the River to the Sea” meant to him (he has repeated the slogan in his speeches). He said it means a single Palestinian state where all nationalities and ethnicities have equal rights and referenced South Africa. He said the time had past for the two-state solution because the Palestinians (whom he described as the indigenous people) do not have enough land. He acknowledged that it would not be a popular solution with nationalist Israelis - they would have to be re-educated, be progressive or leave.

Well I for one feel so much better knowing that the IDF are going to investigate this.

In other news, Ian Brady and Myra Hindley have agreed to lead an investigation into whether the Moors murders actually happened.

Zionists for creating the state of Israel in the first place, in a land that was already populated by people who had done nothing to deserve being driven off their land.

And Israel now, and since 1967, for perpetuating its illegal occupation of those parts of Palestine that it wasn't given international approval to colonise in the first place.

Yes, using live fire to shoot at large crowds is inevitably going to cause many deaths and injuries. That's what the soldiers have been saying that they have been ordered to fire at the crowds even when they don't pose a threat. They also say there has never been an instance where they have been shot back at and clearly the crowd of civilians are unarmed.

Katz could only take action against Haaretz for writing in their report that the * soldiers are saying they have been ordered to shoot innocent Palestinians by their superiors *if there is no evidence it is true.

I think it's been known for a while that the IDF near aid sites shoot warning shots at crowds. They admitted to it a long time ago but they say the intention is not to kill anyone that does not seem a threat.

I find the testimony from the anonymous soldiers more concerning and I'm glad it is being investigated.

Israeli soldiers have been deliberately firing at unarmed Palestinians near aid distribution sites in Gaza, army whistleblowers have said.
First-hand accounts reported in Haaretz, the Israeli newspaper, allege that commanders had in recent weeks ordered troops to shoot at crowds “to drive them away or disperse them, even though it was clear they posed no threat”.

This from the telegraph also behind a paywall but there's many such articles.

@Twiglets1 strange, it was there in the article when they first published it. It's also mentioned in the Haaretz article where they interviewed soldiers and other articles on other sites too. Maybe they took it out after katz threatened to take action against Haaretz for writing that in their report.

This was from another report.
Soldiers who recently returned from Gaza have told Haaretz that officers are regularly ordering them to fire live ammunition at crowds of people as a means of telling them not to approach the aid sites until they are open.