Protesters in London - stop bombing Iran?????

Oh, and to make matters worse, Israel just bombed the biggest prison in Iran. Where the people would have had no way to escape. They and the US have killed Hundreds in the last 24 hours. It's vile behaviour

Oh, and to make matters worse, Israel just bombed the biggest prison in Iran. Where the people would have had no way to escape. They and the US have killed Hundreds in the last 24 hours. It's vile behaviour

@YourOnMute Thank you, that was kind of you to find it and I do appreciate it.
I don’t disagree with any of this post to be fair.
I am aware of suffering across the globe. I’m aware that Palestine citizens have had a really shit existence. They are not to blame for their leaders actions but are the ones who are dying unnecessarily.
I think that protesting about the regime leaders would be far more appropriate and constructive.
I also think that the Pro Palestine movement has been detrimental to Gazians and hasn’t helped. It’s created a terrible division in the UK and further afield.
Obviously my opinion but one that is valid, just like yours.

No you back em all you want.
Some people who have no affiliation with Palestine or Israel have issues with the Pro Palestine movement. Not because they don’t care about suffering, but because when anyone said anything against the Pro Palestine movement they were jumped on.
Pro Palestine hasn’t been successful in raising the right kind of awareness perhaps was originally intended.
Now we have Pro Palestine marching for Iran, in the UK. We have Pro Palestine breaking into Brize Norton.
Back Palestine all you want because ultimately it’s always the common folk who suffer. But when Palestine becomes a backing of Iran that seems very dangerous for the UK.
Many people said they didn’t care because they didn’t want involvement in anymore gulf wars; they only really cared about issues in their own country etc.
Now here we are on the verge of another conflict that we neither wanted nor agreed with and people are still marching for a foreign land that has carried out attacks on British soil.

I understand that you have a reason for wanting nothing but peace for Palestine and I don’t mean this with intent to antagonise or insult you.
You march because you passionately believe that Palestine is being destroyed. I understand that and I would not criticise you for it. There is nothing inherently wrong with being vocal about a cause.
The basic premise of anything pro Palestine is now not what it started out as.
I am asking this sincerely, would it not be better and more effective to march against the governments of Middle East?

There have been many marches since the eighties (when I first became active). There is one every year to commemorate the Nakba. There was one when Shireen Abu Akleh was murdered. You were not aware of them. We march not to celebrate. Stop with your nasty twist on everything pro Palestinian. We march to protest and to keep Palestine in the public mind. Nothing wrong with that.

There have been many marches since the eighties (when I first became active). There is one every year to commemorate the Nakba. There was one when Shireen Abu Akleh was murdered. You were not aware of them. We march not to celebrate. Stop with your nasty twist on everything pro Palestinian. We march to protest and to keep Palestine in the public mind. Nothing wrong with that.

The passion for violated women and children has been missing on this site from the "Pro Palestine" cohort when it comes to the Oct 7th pogrom and it's victims.
Rape, murder, family annihilation has been minimised, threads about these victims jumped upon by the "what about Gaza?" massive, the worldwide pro Palestine marches held the DAY after the Oct 7th pogrom before Israel had a chance to count her dead and kidnapped, much less retaliate....completely unexplained as to why THOSE marches could be organised so, so, quickly and why straight after and during the worst pogrom since WW2 and not before.
I mean, the Israel/Palestine isms and schisms have been going on since 1947 as according to pro Palestine folklore, no?

Or is the notion that those marches were celebrations rather than straight up Palestinian "support" too close to the truth?

Because these marches could have been an ongoing thing any time in my over five decades of life and definitely since the inception of digital technology enabled access to social media, if Palestine and Israeli Imperialism pertaining to it mattered as much as finding an excuse to manifest one's overt or covert anti "Zionism" .

The maths ain't mathing.

But I don't need to be punched in the faces to KNOW what a punch is.

When a movement has to appropriate terminology specific to a people and their history in order to try and influence thoughts, it's foundation is shaky.

The reason why Pro Palestinian advocacy does not work is due to its lack of " one band, one sound" communication and underpinning.
Being Pro Palestine has to come way and above being anti Israel, anti US, anti West, anti Zionist .

None of the anti elements can have as much importance.

There is a reason why in the West, Progressive politics have not incurred as much rights and parity for people as has Classic Liberalism.

Attempting to tear down shit so that another group can have the power to act the fool as much as any " oppressor class" and each individual within it is imagined to ...that philosophy cannot hold in a world that will never be as Black and White as Progressives see it.

The passion for violated women and children has been missing on this site from the "Pro Palestine" cohort when it comes to the Oct 7th pogrom and it's victims.
Rape, murder, family annihilation has been minimised, threads about these victims jumped upon by the "what about Gaza?" massive, the worldwide pro Palestine marches held the DAY after the Oct 7th pogrom before Israel had a chance to count her dead and kidnapped, much less retaliate....completely unexplained as to why THOSE marches could be organised so, so, quickly and why straight after and during the worst pogrom since WW2 and not before.
I mean, the Israel/Palestine isms and schisms have been going on since 1947 as according to pro Palestine folklore, no?

Or is the notion that those marches were celebrations rather than straight up Palestinian "support" too close to the truth?

Because these marches could have been an ongoing thing any time in my over five decades of life and definitely since the inception of digital technology enabled access to social media, if Palestine and Israeli Imperialism pertaining to it mattered as much as finding an excuse to manifest one's overt or covert anti "Zionism" .

The maths ain't mathing.

But I don't need to be punched in the faces to KNOW what a punch is.

When a movement has to appropriate terminology specific to a people and their history in order to try and influence thoughts, it's foundation is shaky.

The reason why Pro Palestinian advocacy does not work is due to its lack of " one band, one sound" communication and underpinning.
Being Pro Palestine has to come way and above being anti Israel, anti US, anti West, anti Zionist .

None of the anti elements can have as much importance.

There is a reason why in the West, Progressive politics have not incurred as much rights and parity for people as has Classic Liberalism.

Attempting to tear down shit so that another group can have the power to act the fool as much as any " oppressor class" and each individual within it is imagined to ...that philosophy cannot hold in a world that will never be as Black and White as Progressives see it.

The passion for violated women and children has been missing on this site from the "Pro Palestine" cohort when it comes to the Oct 7th pogrom and it's victims.
Rape, murder, family annihilation has been minimised, threads about these victims jumped upon by the "what about Gaza?" massive, the worldwide pro Palestine marches held the DAY after the Oct 7th pogrom before Israel had a chance to count her dead and kidnapped, much less retaliate....completely unexplained as to why THOSE marches could be organised so, so, quickly and why straight after and during the worst pogrom since WW2 and not before.
I mean, the Israel/Palestine isms and schisms have been going on since 1947 as according to pro Palestine folklore, no?

Or is the notion that those marches were celebrations rather than straight up Palestinian "support" too close to the truth?

Because these marches could have been an ongoing thing any time in my over five decades of life and definitely since the inception of digital technology enabled access to social media, if Palestine and Israeli Imperialism pertaining to it mattered as much as finding an excuse to manifest one's overt or covert anti "Zionism" .

The maths ain't mathing.

But I don't need to be punched in the faces to KNOW what a punch is.

When a movement has to appropriate terminology specific to a people and their history in order to try and influence thoughts, it's foundation is shaky.

The reason why Pro Palestinian advocacy does not work is due to its lack of " one band, one sound" communication and underpinning.
Being Pro Palestine has to come way and above being anti Israel, anti US, anti West, anti Zionist .

None of the anti elements can have as much importance.

There is a reason why in the West, Progressive politics have not incurred as much rights and parity for people as has Classic Liberalism.

Attempting to tear down shit so that another group can have the power to act the fool as much as any " oppressor class" and each individual within it is imagined to ...that philosophy cannot hold in a world that will never be as Black and White as Progressives see it.

I was on the march, I loathe Iran and I loathe Hamas but I felt I could no longer stand by as children are starving to death in Gaza. If I thought bombing Iran would usher in a reasonable government then I'd support it, but it won't. It makes the whole region far more volatile.

Apologies but I cannot make any sense out of what you are trying to say.
And by the way, I'm not anti-Israel. Don't assume so and state it. I'm anti the actions of the government of Israel and so are a lot of Israelis.
And yes I am aware of the persecution of Christians in the West Bank and Gaza, including harrassment carried out on processions (example by settlers on Palm Sunday), harassment of religious people in dress, displacement and the bombing of churches. Including Christians being killed.

This might be an appropriate moment to remind people, AGAIN sigh that the reason the murderous, barbaric Iranian regime is there in the first place is because Britain and America scuppered Iran's last hope of enlightened democracy by staging a coup in 1953, then spent two decades propping up a corrupt military dictatorship against the will of the Iranian people, to protect their oil interests.

Plus ça change...