How long until the Iranian regime collapses?

I think those considering this do see the threat.

I wouldn’t rely on this rationality.

@EasternStandard I agree with this.

I actually don't. It serves them no purpose. Lets be rational here, if Iran did build nuclear bombs, which it hasn't, and if it did do what mainstream media say they will do, which is bomb the US and Israel (which will also wipe out the palestinians, Jordanians, egyptians, lebanese and syrians) Do you not think that that will not spell suicide for Iran and the Iranians? At most they can build 9, Israel has hundreds and the US has thousands.

There is no benefit whatsoever for them to use them.

Potential is not proof.

This is just about power and deflection. The GZ are just parroting the same points and have zero evidence.

I actually don't. It serves them no purpose. Lets be rational here, if Iran did build nuclear bombs, which it hasn't, and if it did do what mainstream media say they will do, which is bomb the US and Israel (which will also wipe out the palestinians, Jordanians, egyptians, lebanese and syrians) Do you not think that that will not spell suicide for Iran and the Iranians? At most they can build 9, Israel has hundreds and the US has thousands.

There is no benefit whatsoever for them to use them.

Potential is not proof.

This is just about power and deflection. The GZ are just parroting the same points and have zero evidence.

I actually don't. It serves them no purpose. Lets be rational here, if Iran did build nuclear bombs, which it hasn't, and if it did do what mainstream media say they will do, which is bomb the US and Israel (which will also wipe out the palestinians, Jordanians, egyptians, lebanese and syrians) Do you not think that that will not spell suicide for Iran and the Iranians? At most they can build 9, Israel has hundreds and the US has thousands.

There is no benefit whatsoever for them to use them.

Potential is not proof.

This is just about power and deflection. The GZ are just parroting the same points and have zero evidence.

@Whatsinanameheydo you think that Iran having nuclear capability is problematic and agree with G7 etc that it’s a threat?

Well said.
Saudi Arabia is afforded the leeway because of the billions they invest in the US.

Well said.
Saudi Arabia is afforded the leeway because of the billions they invest in the US.

Yes, Iranian women (and men) have risen up. They’ve led protests, faced bullets, torture, and prison. But this isn’t just about stopping a nuclear programme. Meaningful change can’t be flown becasue every time foreign aggressors ‘liberate’ a country they leave it worse and weaker.

That’s why the nuclear angle rings hollow. Remember what Wesley Clark let slip?

There was a Pentagon memo to ‘take out’ seven governments, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan… and Iran. Most of that list is already rubble.

If this were purely about stopping bombs, explain why Israel an undeclared nuclear state with an estimated 80-200 warheads, never signed the NPT still gets $3.8 billion a year in US military aid despite the Symington Amendment barring such support.

Meanwhile Saudi Arabia, holds no elections, impossible to protest, ZERO activism, have been brutal in Yemen with a rising death toll gets red carpets and weapon contracts, not sanctions. In my opinion Saudi Arabia is just as oppressive if not more than the IR.

So yes, the Iranian regime is brutal, but outside pressure that ignores its own double standards only tightens Tehran’s grip and fuels nationalist backlash.

Real reform has to come from inside it cannot be hijacked.

Yes, Iranian women (and men) have risen up. They’ve led protests, faced bullets, torture, and prison. But this isn’t just about stopping a nuclear programme. Meaningful change can’t be flown becasue every time foreign aggressors ‘liberate’ a country they leave it worse and weaker.

That’s why the nuclear angle rings hollow. Remember what Wesley Clark let slip?

There was a Pentagon memo to ‘take out’ seven governments, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan… and Iran. Most of that list is already rubble.

If this were purely about stopping bombs, explain why Israel an undeclared nuclear state with an estimated 80-200 warheads, never signed the NPT still gets $3.8 billion a year in US military aid despite the Symington Amendment barring such support.

Meanwhile Saudi Arabia, holds no elections, impossible to protest, ZERO activism, have been brutal in Yemen with a rising death toll gets red carpets and weapon contracts, not sanctions. In my opinion Saudi Arabia is just as oppressive if not more than the IR.

So yes, the Iranian regime is brutal, but outside pressure that ignores its own double standards only tightens Tehran’s grip and fuels nationalist backlash.

Real reform has to come from inside it cannot be hijacked.

I have hope. Still it is no business of the West, to interfere.

Yes, Iranian women (and men) have risen up. They’ve led protests, faced bullets, torture, and prison. But this isn’t just about stopping a nuclear programme. Meaningful change can’t be flown becasue every time foreign aggressors ‘liberate’ a country they leave it worse and weaker.

That’s why the nuclear angle rings hollow. Remember what Wesley Clark let slip?

There was a Pentagon memo to ‘take out’ seven governments, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan… and Iran. Most of that list is already rubble.

If this were purely about stopping bombs, explain why Israel an undeclared nuclear state with an estimated 80-200 warheads, never signed the NPT still gets $3.8 billion a year in US military aid despite the Symington Amendment barring such support.

Meanwhile Saudi Arabia, holds no elections, impossible to protest, ZERO activism, have been brutal in Yemen with a rising death toll gets red carpets and weapon contracts, not sanctions. In my opinion Saudi Arabia is just as oppressive if not more than the IR.

So yes, the Iranian regime is brutal, but outside pressure that ignores its own double standards only tightens Tehran’s grip and fuels nationalist backlash.

Real reform has to come from inside it cannot be hijacked.

How likely is that given the response from the regime to any protestors?

People have tried, women in particular.

ETA this is less about regime change and more about ending nuclear weapon capability for the G7 and US.

Indeed.

Definitely agree with let peace prevail.

There is hope that negotiations can move forwards if all 4 representatives from Iran, UK, France & Germany genuinely want to find a compromise they can all agree on.

Personally, I would like to see a regime change. But that is less important (also less achievable) than Iran agreeing to surrender any nuclear ambitions it has.

As far as I'm concerned that should be the main goal.

I truly hope so. And I hope that Trump’s maximalist threats are just that a pressure tactic to bring a chastened regime to the point where it surrenders its nuclear ambitions, fully and permanently.

After that, let the Iranian people determine their own future. They will be emboldened not broken if we refrain from destroying their country.

But above all, let peace prevail.

I think it is very naive for anyone to think that Netanyahu will save the iranians and topple the regime. The regime must go, but can only go from within. We never seem to learn. Look at what happened to Mossadegh- who got rid of him? And who came after?

The west installed a puppet who stole money away from his citizens and yet many romantacise him and his son. It's pure delusion.

End the regime, but do not let the foreign aggressors do it.

I think it is very naive for anyone to think that Netanyahu will save the iranians and topple the regime. The regime must go, but can only go from within. We never seem to learn. Look at what happened to Mossadegh- who got rid of him? And who came after?

The west installed a puppet who stole money away from his citizens and yet many romantacise him and his son. It's pure delusion.

End the regime, but do not let the foreign aggressors do it.

Does Iran even have the capabilities to inflict irreversible damage on the US? I doubt it.

Indeed Hamas may realise it has literally no allies and source of funding so their leadership may attempt to just face away........

Iran is a beautiful country and its people deserve better than an Islamist terror group leading them.