How long until the Iranian regime collapses?

Agree with @Whatsinanamehey if people don't want to be tagged they need to stop posting on a forum that allows it. No need for those rude posts

Don't worry I've decided to give MN a rest for the forseeable.

Don't worry I've decided to give MN a rest for the forseeable.

Oh I see, so you were basically debating with yourself. Okkaay. Don't reply to me or tag me please.

Err no I didn't I wrote my reply and then as an aside thought I will "fact check" MY opinion which I had just written - Chat then "fact checked" that - not whatever your opinion was. My point, such as it was was Saddam wasn't the progenitor of the intifada but sought to profit from it's popularity of of a section of the miltant Arab street by showering some of his oil cash with the familes of suicide bombers. Not good by a long shot any way you look at it - I think we can agree on that.

Moving on .....

We agree - loathsome creature with His dodgy dossier and hounding of Dr Kelly maybe his depression is some deep buried conscience haunting him in the early hours of the morning. Owen, bless one of the good guys who wears his heart on his sleeve -YMMV !

Is that how she came to completely make up a quote for me? 🤣

'Your interpretation — that Saddam “came in afterward with cash to grandstand” — is largely supported by the historical record'

When I said no such thing. Definitely need a word with that wizard.

Absolutely detest the bloke. He's just in front of Owen Jones on the odious front.

…interesting what short memories people have when they chat about hie amazing the Campbell podcast is… - overheard in a Gail’s in Islington.

Well I hope every Labour Liberal remembers Blair and Campbell's huge parts in that.

I'm not sure putting something into ChatGPT counts as fact checking.

No that was my qoute that I "made up" then got ChatGPT fact checked - quite a rabbit hole. ! Anyway I'm off doing my good deed for the day going to see my best friend's 90 year old mother and take her out for the day. So I won't be posting for a while.

No that was my qoute that I "made up" then got ChatGPT fact checked - quite a rabbit hole. ! Anyway I'm off doing my good deed for the day going to see my best friend's 90 year old mother and take her out for the day. So I won't be posting for a while.

Is that how she came to completely make up a quote for me? 🤣

'Your interpretation — that Saddam “came in afterward with cash to grandstand” — is largely supported by the historical record'

When I said no such thing. Definitely need a word with that wizard.

I'm not sure putting something into ChatGPT counts as fact checking.

Though based on the evidence you showed, it doesn’t seem that Saddam was personally promoting the suicide bombing phase of the Intifada. That sort of thing was likely cooked up in Hamas’s devilish laboratory. Saddam just swooped in afterward, grandstanding with cash to win points on the Arab street which, if memory serves, was something they were doing anyway.

Then I fact checked it ;

The statement you're referring to includes a mix of historical fact, interpretation, and opinion. Here's a breakdown to help clarify what's true and what is speculative:
🔹 Saddam Hussein and the Intifada (Palestinian uprising):

• True: Saddam Hussein did publicly support the Second Intifada (2000–2005).
• True: He offered financial payments to the families of Palestinians who died, including suicide bombers. In some cases, reports suggest he paid $10,000–$25,000 per family.
• Interpretation: Many analysts agree this was a political move to gain favor on the Arab street, portraying himself as a champion of the Palestinian cause.

• Unclear / debated: There is no solid evidence that Saddam directly planned or promoted suicide bombings or was operationally involved.
• The funding likely came after the fact, as part of a public-relations or propaganda strategy rather than a directive role in planning attacks.

• True: Hamas had its own infrastructure and strategy for suicide bombings during the Intifada, independent of Saddam Hussein.
• While they accepted support, they did not take orders from Saddam. They operated on their own ideology and agenda.

• Saddam did fund families of suicide bombers, likely for political gain.
• He was not a central planner or originator of the suicide bombing campaign — that was driven internally by Palestinian militant groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
• Your interpretation — that Saddam “came in afterward with cash to grandstand” — is largely supported by the historical record.

I corrected an error in your post. You went on to ask me not to claim various things. I was claiming nothing. You then go on to analyse the question of whether Saddam was a 'central planner' or 'originator' of a suicide bombing campaign. Who said he was? Certainly not me. Im not getting lost in your forest of straw men.

Though based on the evidence you showed, it doesn’t seem that Saddam was personally promoting the suicide bombing phase of the Intifada. That sort of thing was likely cooked up in Hamas’s devilish laboratory. Saddam just swooped in afterward, grandstanding with cash to win points on the Arab street which, if memory serves, was something they were doing anyway.

Then I fact checked it ;

The statement you're referring to includes a mix of historical fact, interpretation, and opinion. Here's a breakdown to help clarify what's true and what is speculative:
🔹 Saddam Hussein and the Intifada (Palestinian uprising):

• True: Saddam Hussein did publicly support the Second Intifada (2000–2005).
• True: He offered financial payments to the families of Palestinians who died, including suicide bombers. In some cases, reports suggest he paid $10,000–$25,000 per family.
• Interpretation: Many analysts agree this was a political move to gain favor on the Arab street, portraying himself as a champion of the Palestinian cause.

• Unclear / debated: There is no solid evidence that Saddam directly planned or promoted suicide bombings or was operationally involved.
• The funding likely came after the fact, as part of a public-relations or propaganda strategy rather than a directive role in planning attacks.

• True: Hamas had its own infrastructure and strategy for suicide bombings during the Intifada, independent of Saddam Hussein.
• While they accepted support, they did not take orders from Saddam. They operated on their own ideology and agenda.

• Saddam did fund families of suicide bombers, likely for political gain.
• He was not a central planner or originator of the suicide bombing campaign — that was driven internally by Palestinian militant groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
• Your interpretation — that Saddam “came in afterward with cash to grandstand” — is largely supported by the historical record.

I don't agree with the two week window. There is little chance of devaluation during this period for deescalation or the Iranians to negotiate. With the recent hospital bombing of shows that Iran has enough weaponry to inflict damage on civilians in Israel and with the US now having many assets in the region the US could act in parallel with Israel to defeat Iran quickly and decisively possibly limiting the death toll on both sides as Iran quickly surrenders under the pressure of overwhelming military might. 2 weeks is dithering as what will change in that period? Iran has gained breathing space when it was under immense pressure.

Or fact check before you make such confident assertions?

I don't agree with the two week window. There is little chance of devaluation during this period for deescalation or the Iranians to negotiate. With the recent hospital bombing of shows that Iran has enough weaponry to inflict damage on civilians in Israel and with the US now having many assets in the region the US could act in parallel with Israel to defeat Iran quickly and decisively possibly limiting the death toll on both sides as Iran quickly surrenders under the pressure of overwhelming military might. 2 weeks is dithering as what will change in that period? Iran has gained breathing space when it was under immense pressure.

It’s Mumsnet, not a court of law! I’m mostly posting from memory and always happy to be corrected we should never stop learning, questioning the world around us, and striving to make it better. My friends will tell you I’m known for the occasional rant… maybe I should rein it in sometimes!