European Commission President days Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. Israel has right to defend itself

I happen to be very pleased at the thought of Iranian women not being bundled into the back of a van and reappearing in hospital with a body broken beyond repair whilst her parents weep over her. Or no child watching as her father waves to her just before he’s hanged for disagreeing with the government.
The idea that all of that could possibly disappear pleases me immensely. I am absolutely not ashamed of that at all and nothing you could say to me would feel anything but joy for the Iranian people if they could be free from that.

Amen to all of that. So many lives destroyed or ended by that regime. My SIL is in Tehran rn and must be terrified, but with luck she also has hope for freedom from Islamist tyranny in future. 🙏

No I think it’s ok to destroy their infrastructure to prevent them from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Like you I worry about nuclear proliferation too, so I’m delighted they won’t have a nuke and that the other gulf kingdoms then won’t feel like they have to get a nuke to protect themselves from Iran (as I mentioned in a previous post about an interview I watched with MBS).

I happen to be very pleased at the thought of Iranian women not being bundled into the back of a van and reappearing in hospital with a body broken beyond repair whilst her parents weep over her. Or no child watching as her father waves to her just before he’s hanged for disagreeing with the government.

The idea that all of that could possibly disappear pleases me immensely. I am absolutely not ashamed of that at all and nothing you could say to me would feel anything but joy for the Iranian people if they could be free from that.

https://twitter.com/realMaalouf/status/1934944645538324485
An Iranian woman sends a message to the Islamic regime: “We will dance on your grave with all our hearts. We now have joy and hope for the future. The murderers of Iran’s children and women will fall. The Islamic regime will perish!"

There was one assessment from USA intelligence saying they think Iran is months away (bear in mind that other intelligence from the USA said they were very close and briefing notes and contradictory notes will be produced by intelligence all the time so that they can build a picture, they don’t just go “oh well this one note says x so x it is, if you remember thats how we got the Iraq war, the testimony of one person).

The actual body monitoring things agreed that Iran was in breech, the G7 have specifically agreed I assume after looking at their own intelligence.

Netanyahu a hero.😱 Bloody Hell, what a warped mind you have there.
Iran absolutely needs "dealing" with, no doubt about it.
But to say Netanyahu is a hero is deplorable

The UK has been through extremely bloody civil wars, what made you think change has been stable in the UK LOL.

Also the Irani public are doing things like tweeting out notes asking Israel to bomb the state broadcaster and shouting “death to Khomeni. As I said regime change is a bonus to the Israelis. They wipe out the regimes ability to attack them thats job done. Get rid of the mad mullahs and the whole of the middle east is better off but thats just a bonus, not a main aim.

He is a war time leader and needs must. Israel was attacked simultaneously by Hamas and then Hezbollah. In these conditions people stick with a leader who they will think will achieve their aims.

They have this thing called elections by the way, if I think Starmer is a fucking twat and I have to wait for the next election until I can vote him out it doesn’t mean I’m suddenly living under a ”regime”. And if you had bothered you could have had a look at his polling which has been all over the shop.

I don’t think israel is genocidal no, I think they think they face an existential crisis and are doing whatever they believe to be necessary to protect their people. Unfortunately for Gazan’s their leaders don’t care quite so much about their wellbeing or them being alive full stop.

I hope in time Palestinians will have a state.

I would leave that decision to Irani public so the change can be stable and organic. It took centuries for the U.K. to get where we are. Centuries for every nation but Iranians are not permitted this stability. They must bear yet another foreign induced regime change just as their movement is gaining momentum.

I can’t be bothered anymore to post what has been posted upthread many times. There have been a number of conflicting reports, including one from the USA. There is no clear evidence that Iran has WMDs.

There is very clear evidence that Israeli regime is genocidal and must be stopped.

I think hoping that the Iranians become free of a regime they don’t like and that regularly oppresses them is in no way a negative.

Their country is not in ruins, it’s fucking massive. Government sites, nuclear sites IRCG installatIons are though, they are getting very ruined.

I just don’t think most Iranians would be on your side with this. No-one wants their country to be bombed but I think if the regime goes you will see something like with Syria. People celebrating in the streets and many looking for their loved ones.

So we are back to my question that I have been asking for ages on this thread: are you saying that Israeli people are fully supporting a war criminal and genocidal maniac (I find it unlikely) or is Netenyahu just blood thirsty off his own accord? If the public don’t back him, his is a regime, if the public do back him, we have a genocidal nation in our hands (which I refuse to believe but you are saying this).
He has a trail of blood behind him and has been in government for 17 years.

No there is no conflicting reports, everyone pretty much agrees that Iran breeched agreements.

I didn’t switch to reime change, you are the one talking about regime change. And I specifically said Israels job here is to make sure Iran cannot attack it, regime change would be a bonus for them.

Israel has had nukes for ages, the only country who seems to have mentioned nukes is the saudi prince who said that if Iran gets a nuke saudi will too. He didn’t mention Israel because no-one thinks Israel will go around threatening people with nukes.

Oh FFS. Don’t pretend you love Iranians while their country and history is ruined. There is a strong reason why MI5 is opposing a foreign-induced regime change. They know what it can lead to. They have done it before and gave the world with what Iran currently has.

So you are saying it is ok to destroy Iran’s infrastructure on the off chance it changes their regime.
So you are indeed hoping for a foreign-induced regime change?

No it won’t, they have zero chance to get out from under the regime whilst the regime controls everything. With a regime in disarray theres a chance. There is also a chance for a backlash from the regime and extreme repression.

Iranians have been extremely brave before, many have been shot, whipped, executed, tortured and still they protested. I have so much admiration for them.

Now you switch to nukes from regime change, the evidence for which is pretty contradictory so far with conflicting reports from the U.S. institutions versus IEAE. This required what the British government is asking for: a return to diplomacy.

And the genocidal regime of Netenyahu should never have its fingers on nuke buttons. This will now spur a nuke race in the region and around the globe.

I can bet my right hand that Ukrainians are now bitterly regretting giving up their nuclear programme. The rest of the world is going to further learn from this example of Iran and this will start a race that will likely satisfy the blood thirsty Israeli regime but will de sorry the region.

Thats the thing, Israel didn’t randomly pick on Iran did it? Iran has been threatening them for decades. Israelis have a cordial relationship with both the Egyptians and the Jordanians. They now have a direct line of communication with the syrians. They have consistently shown through actual actions that if you don’t mess with them they will leave you alone too.

Don’t attack them and you are cushty.

Iran and Israel are not the same, Israel doesn’t have a regime it has an elected government. Me or you not liking it does not make it on par with the dictatorship in Iran.

How would Iranians do it when protesting can lead to execution and brutal repercussions?

It’s easy to type on mn just do it. Less so in reality.

Yes and this war is gonna set back their cause by miles, just as Netenyahu is able to cling on to power and Trump is getting away with destroying the U.S. constitution while protecting Putin as per Zelensky.

The timing is highly suspect. We must get rid of all of these lunatics but their own people should be the one doing it.

The Israelis are getting rid of the infrastructure, it’s up to the Iranians what comes next. As often happens the communists aligned with the religious fanatics and then got shot by those very religious fanatics. Think Iranians have probably learned to stay away from men obsessed with womens hair. You do make a reasonable point about what comes next and no-one knowing if it’s better or worse for the Iranians.

HOWEVER this is not Israels main goal, Israels main goal is to make sure Iran is not in a position to be supplying its proxies or be able to obtain a nuclear weapon. Thats it. If theres regime change and it’s friendly thats a massive bonus.

I believe both Israeli and Iranian regimes need changing. And pronto.

We can’t afford genocidal war mongers and lunatic mullahs fighting each other in the mid east.

Both countries need this and their people should be the one that do it. Or it will another Iraq and Afghanistan in BOTH countries.

On googling it looks like the majority do not support the regime.

ETA appreciate the insight.

It doesn’t mean it’s not a democracy, Israel is at war after suffering a horrific terror attack (something the UK knows something about). The reality is his current performance as a leader specifically in regards to those who have attacked Israel is ok (hamas) to spectacular (Iran) and satisfactory (hezbollah have been neutered).

Israelis are going to be concerned about their own security not what someone in London thinks. People came and killed them, then the very next day while they were still looking for bodies and they hadn’t fired a single bullet their neighbour started shelling them. The psychological impact of that means you may very well tolerate someone you wouldn’t in peace time.

They are at war, you do realise that don’t you.

Do you realise it was Uk and USA that dismantled their elected PM and did a regime change that ended up Iranis getting these mullahs?

And you are trusting their future with a genocidal war criminal?

Feel free to bow out. But as you may have seen with the recently posted YouGov poll, the opinion of the British public is very strong in this matter. Netenyahu and several of his cronies can’t ever set foot in the U.K. ever again.