European Commission President days Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. Israel has right to defend itself

This reminds me of Corbyn's tactics of sitting down over a cup of tea with terrorists.

Thank goodness the US is protecting Israel. You really think all those terrorists groups wouldn't have gained traction without Trump's interference.

ETA: should say USA interference

You may not have noticed, but that also describes Trump and the USA! It may never have been this bad if the USA were not constantly interfering with other countries sovereign rights. If the USA were not attempting to control the world in their image, there possibly would have been no Al-Qaeda, no 9/11; if no Al-Qaeda, there may have been no ISIS. We also don't know how better it might be if the USA (especially) stopped intervening in things that are not their business.

You see, therein lie your problem. No matter what you think of him, it is for the Iranian people to deal with him / their government (because a leader does nothing without a machine behind them). If it is ok for us to support murdering someone that we do not agree with, what makes us any different than them? When Iran retaliates by murdering British people in London, will that be ok - they don't agree with us, so it's ok? You are also assuming that a more moderate leader would follow. That is not a given at all. And who appoints the new leader - the same ones that appointed thi one, or the Iranian people (unlikely) or the USA (because that worked so well last time they supported someone into power, just about anywhere, didn't it?).

It is not about supporting the Iranian government, but about the fact that when we sink to their level we are no better than them. There are better ways to deal with countries than start wars with them. Nobody except arms dealers wins wars. You would have thought that by now we might have learned that bombing shit out of people does not win any friends. And nobody, just nobody, will ever convince me that Netanyahu, war monger that he is, acted without the explicit agreement if not under the instruction of Trump and the USA. The USA have a spectacular record of imploding countries where they interfere.

What Trump-like hyperbole!? When have Iranians said they want world domination? Are you ok? We heard the same hyperbole with Saddam and his supposed WMDs and that led to war that destroyed millions and sowed seeds of hatred for the USA and Israel for generations to come (Netenyahu was yet again the one bleating on about Saddam having WMDs).

This madness needs to stop.

True. You can’t compare the two options

I guess we don’t know how much worse it could have been if they had been allowed to
continue with their world domination or annihilation plans.

Yes, that is true, because an external aggressor will always unite a population regardless of the reasons or rights and wrongs. Human nature. Also explains the fact that BN was a lot less popular in Israel before 7/10 than he is now, because as someone pointed out, they are now at war. I'll wait for the fog of war to clear before even attempting to work out exactly what BN has done, or why.

Libya serves as a textbook example of how removing an unpopular authoritarian leader through external bombing, without a stable post-conflict plan, can plunge a country into prolonged chaos and fragmentation

Post-war Libya is:
Divided
Militia-ridden
Politically paralyzed
Economically unstable
Humanitarian crisis-prone
It’s one of the clearest examples where external regime change (without follow-up occupation) led to state collapse, prolonged civil war, and foreign meddling — a textbook warning case.

The Kurds are the best packed to secede and form their own balkanised Republic.

www.kurdishpeace.org/research/security-and-defense/israel-iran-war-how-will-kurdish-actors-respond/

Second, Kurds have little incentive to move against the state first. There is no guarantee that other actors will follow or support them. Israel’s indiscriminate bombing campaign is creating a “rally ‘round the flag” effect among many Iranians who might otherwise oppose the Islamic Republic. On the other hand, mainstream opposition groups that have used the war as an opportunity to advance their case against the Islamic Republic include supporters of the deposed monarchy — which was also violently opposed to Kurdish rights. In the 2022 uprising, when Kurdish and other ethnic minority regions bore the brunt of state repression, some Persian opposition groups and leaders minimized their concerns and whitewashed Jina Amini’s Kurdish identity.

Third, rapid Kurdish engagement might attract foreign intervention that Kurds would be unable to counter from their current position. Turkish far-right leader Devlet Bahceli has already alleged that the real target of Israel’s war is not Iran but Turkey. If Kurds take action before they are capable of defending their gains, Turkey may intervene — either directly or indirectly through its ally Azerbaijan and Iran’s large Azeri population — to quash their efforts.

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True but then again things aren’t going great for Iran with this leader in charge so I hope he does get assassinated and a more moderate Iran leader appointed.

And like them or loathe them, things have always gone so well when foreign powers assassinate countries leaders.

I think Khamenei has just signed his own death warrant with that statement about how Iran will never compromise with Israel.

BBC Summary

Israel says it struck a centrifuge site in Tehran and weapons facilities as part of its overnight barrage

Donald Trump warns Iran "our patience is wearing thin", and then posts: "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!"

But the US president says "we" are not going to kill Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei - "at least not for now"

Trump is considering joining Israel's strikes targeting Iran's underground nuclear sites, BBC's US partner CBS News reports

In a show of defiance, Khamenei says Iran will never compromise with Israel, and "we will show the Zionists no mercy"

Europe is divided, with France warning against a push for regime change while Germany grateful for Israel doing the "dirty work"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx23e4jz2g0t

No worries. Shall we invite him to visit the U.K. and see how that goes?

Please stop speaking on behalf of ‘the world’, ‘the majority’, ‘the UK’ and, worst of all ‘mumsnet’.
Speak for yourself and that’s it.

A fair bit of generalisation here.

I forgot to say, Mumsnet has a high anti-Israel sentiment because of the genocide they have committed and are still doing.
It is only human.

There is a reason the world is asking to arrest Netenyahu! There is reason he is conferred a war criminal. No one, not me at least, has backed Irani mullah lunatic regime but it is beyond reason you expect people to back the ICC-wanted Netanyahu and respect him. Also, I have never said I hate Israel. It is the Israeli regime that I, and the rest of the civilised world, hates for the ethnic cleansing and genocide they are committing.

There does seem to be more actual viceral hate for Israel and Netanyahu than for the bloodthirsty Iranian regime.

You must be so scared for her. I wish her the best and I wish her “woman life freedom”! I don’t pray but I will have her in my thoughts x I wish more of the women on mumsnet would take a second to truly understand what this could mean for the girls and women of Iran (as well as all the men ofcourse). I hope it works out with all my heart ❤️

Posting on all the threads I am following.

I have found something extremely unsettling. This is an old video of Netanyahu laying out how he threw the Oslo Accord. This is one video BBC and Fox News wouldn’t share ever. Wow, just wow.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mvqCWvi-nFo&list=WL&index=16

We saw how the power vacuum in many other countries caused absolute chaos. I had a Libyan friend who said the joy after Gaddafi was removed was very short lived.

Forcible regime change in a country like Iran won't always lead to positive results.