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European Commission President days Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. Israel has right to defend itself

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Nowayyousure · 16/06/2025 04:31

"European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen said she told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday that diplomacy was ultimately best on Iran, but stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire.

Von der Leyen said that she agreed with Netanyahu in a telephone call that "Iran should not have a nuclear weapon, without any question."

Von der Leyen has previously criticised Israel's actions in Gaza, but said that Iran's non-compliance with the UN nuclear watchdog meant Israel "has the right to defend itself".

"Iran is the principal source of regional instability," she added."

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izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 14:17

EasternStandard · 18/06/2025 14:10

Do you think the G7 and U v d L are wrong to see it as a threat?

We don’t know what they think or what they see as threats.
I guess they don’t want a war with the USA (who does?), so they will keep following them.
We just know that what they say makes less and less sense, so fewer people trust them.

dairydebris · 18/06/2025 14:14

EasternStandard · 18/06/2025 14:03

What are you basing your certainty for ‘were not planning to have one’ on?

Confirmation bias 👍🏼

EasternStandard · 18/06/2025 14:10

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 14:04

IAEA and the us intelligence.

But it doesn’t matter now. They will be on a different path.

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Do you think the G7 and U v d L are wrong to see it as a threat?

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 14:04

EasternStandard · 18/06/2025 14:03

What are you basing your certainty for ‘were not planning to have one’ on?

IAEA and the us intelligence.

But it doesn’t matter now. They will be on a different path.

EasternStandard · 18/06/2025 14:03

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 13:52

I have no say in the matter.
They were not planning to have one, but now they will do all they can to have it, it’s self-defence.

What are you basing your certainty for ‘were not planning to have one’ on?

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 13:52

EasternStandard · 18/06/2025 13:38

What’s your view on Iran developing nuclear weapons?

Should that happen?

I have no say in the matter.
They were not planning to have one, but now they will do all they can to have it, it’s self-defence.

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 13:47

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 13:46

I’ve been watching too much violence in the past 20 months.
But again, you are incorrectly interpreting my support for peace and international law as support for an oppressive regime.
i wish freedom, peace and prosperity to all Iranians (all earthlings, actually).
It is for Iranians to determine how they live, not for Israelis and Americans.

You see, I now believe you're not posting in good faith. I hope that's the case because the alternative is unthinkable.

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 13:46

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 13:35

Come back and talk when you've watching the Stoning of Sorya - based on a true story. That will tell you all you need to know about Iran's stability.

I’ve been watching too much violence in the past 20 months.
But again, you are incorrectly interpreting my support for peace and international law as support for an oppressive regime.
i wish freedom, peace and prosperity to all Iranians (all earthlings, actually).
It is for Iranians to determine how they live, not for Israelis and Americans.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 18/06/2025 13:44

EasternStandard · 18/06/2025 13:24

This doesn’t mean much and of course it’s an expression of how some people think. What proportion would need to be looked in to.

I include some pro hostile states posters on mn too. It’s problematic and govs do understand the threat from SM hence it’s illegal to support a terrorist org online and offline in the U.K.

That doesn’t stop all own goal stuff but tg we have that or it’d be carnage.

Why would posts supporting hostile states need to be looked into? It's not illegal as it is to support a terrorist organisation. Anyway the vast majority are just keyboard warriors.

I include some pro hostile states posters on mn too.
This is said a lot but in reality people are not supportive of how things are being dealt with not actually supportive of hostile states. It's such a simplistic accusation that people make

EasternStandard · 18/06/2025 13:38

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 13:32

Possibly. But not the biggest one.

What’s your view on Iran developing nuclear weapons?

Should that happen?

Xenia · 18/06/2025 13:36

Most of us know Iran is one of our greatest enemies. Now is a good time for the Iranian diaspora in the UK and elsewhere to see if they can help the regime topple. it is a unique opportunity.

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 13:35

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 13:32

Possibly. But not the biggest one.

Come back and talk when you've watching the Stoning of Sorya - based on a true story. That will tell you all you need to know about Iran's stability.

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 13:32

SisterTeatime · 18/06/2025 13:31

Whatever your views on the current conflict, it’s not exactly controversial to view Iran as a source of instability!

Possibly. But not the biggest one.

SisterTeatime · 18/06/2025 13:31

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 13:16

In 2015 they signed up to a program, with rigorous inspections and complied.
Trump tore it up in 2018.
In 2025 Trump invited them to reagree the program. They came to negotiate, and Netanyahu bombed Iran killing the chief negotiator (and Trump approved).
Why do you find Iran’s reaction surprising?
Do you believe Iran does not have a right to self defence?
You see Iran as a source of instability, but it looks otherwise from aside.

Whatever your views on the current conflict, it’s not exactly controversial to view Iran as a source of instability!

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 13:30

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 13:22

I don't respect any country that still stones women to death. You really think its leaders are protecting their people? The real maniacs are the Iranians, who support Hamas, who deliberately raped and murdered Jewish women and children. You do you.

I hope we could respect international laws we agreed on after WW2.
Iran’s regime is oppressive to its citizens.
Israel is oppressive to Palestinians.
Netanyahu supported Hamas.
Attacking other countries is a crime.

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 13:26

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 13:22

I don't respect any country that still stones women to death. You really think its leaders are protecting their people? The real maniacs are the Iranians, who support Hamas, who deliberately raped and murdered Jewish women and children. You do you.

Do you bomb every country you don’t respect?

EasternStandard · 18/06/2025 13:24

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 18/06/2025 13:09

I wouldn't consider posts on sm as an accurate reflection on how the majority think. I'm sure if sm was around decades ago it would be the same stuff being posted

This doesn’t mean much and of course it’s an expression of how some people think. What proportion would need to be looked in to.

I include some pro hostile states posters on mn too. It’s problematic and govs do understand the threat from SM hence it’s illegal to support a terrorist org online and offline in the U.K.

That doesn’t stop all own goal stuff but tg we have that or it’d be carnage.

devourfeculence · 18/06/2025 13:23

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 18/06/2025 13:21

Tell that to the people who spend their time trawling social media looking for Israelis saying awful things

You don't need to trawl social media just listen to the Israeli government ministers, watch the news and documentaries like Louis Theroux

Yes but none of that is evidence of what Israelis in general think, any more than the social media posts you were referring to.

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 13:22

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 13:16

In 2015 they signed up to a program, with rigorous inspections and complied.
Trump tore it up in 2018.
In 2025 Trump invited them to reagree the program. They came to negotiate, and Netanyahu bombed Iran killing the chief negotiator (and Trump approved).
Why do you find Iran’s reaction surprising?
Do you believe Iran does not have a right to self defence?
You see Iran as a source of instability, but it looks otherwise from aside.

I don't respect any country that still stones women to death. You really think its leaders are protecting their people? The real maniacs are the Iranians, who support Hamas, who deliberately raped and murdered Jewish women and children. You do you.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 18/06/2025 13:21

devourfeculence · 18/06/2025 13:15

Tell that to the people who spend their time trawling social media looking for Israelis saying awful things and post it here as though it is some kind of evidence.

Tell that to the people who spend their time trawling social media looking for Israelis saying awful things

You don't need to trawl social media just listen to the Israeli government ministers, watch the news and documentaries like Louis Theroux

Kindatired · 18/06/2025 13:20

Netanyahu and his neocon cronies are the ones that threaten the stability of Europe. He would prefer chaos on his borders than peaceful co- existence and has been working for 30 years to destabilize the surrounding countries, pitching them into the hands of extremists when it suits him. His finger is in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon
He carries some of the responsibility for the flooding of Europe with refugees which in turn has shifted so many towards right wing politicians.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm
Nothing would give him greater pleasure than an attack on a US embassy by Iran backed proxies. Don’t forget the Mossad operatives that danced with joy on 9/11 who conveniently disappeared back to Israel.
Netanyahu would be happy to see Iran to turn into another Afghanistan with American boots on the ground, hundreds of thousands fleeing a taliban type regime into the EU and Britain. He would like to see the Americans and the Brits conscripted and killed while his own lads are praying in their Yeshivas and voting for his coalition.

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 13:16

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 13:04

Just look at Iran's 'supreme' leader's position on this. He has warned the US about intervening and assisting Israel. The same Iran, who sponsors Hamas. It is not racist to despise a region who is NOT interested in protecting its women and children. Their hate for the west and Jews is what is dangerous. I do not despise Muslims, I despise extremists.

In 2015 they signed up to a program, with rigorous inspections and complied.
Trump tore it up in 2018.
In 2025 Trump invited them to reagree the program. They came to negotiate, and Netanyahu bombed Iran killing the chief negotiator (and Trump approved).
Why do you find Iran’s reaction surprising?
Do you believe Iran does not have a right to self defence?
You see Iran as a source of instability, but it looks otherwise from aside.

devourfeculence · 18/06/2025 13:15

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 18/06/2025 13:09

I wouldn't consider posts on sm as an accurate reflection on how the majority think. I'm sure if sm was around decades ago it would be the same stuff being posted

Tell that to the people who spend their time trawling social media looking for Israelis saying awful things and post it here as though it is some kind of evidence.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 18/06/2025 13:09

EasternStandard · 18/06/2025 12:18

No I’d say it goes further than that. It’s a sense that the US are the baddies and the support is for those who are our hostile states.

It’s alarming to see really. If people do live in the U.K.

I wouldn't consider posts on sm as an accurate reflection on how the majority think. I'm sure if sm was around decades ago it would be the same stuff being posted

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 13:04

izthiszeend · 18/06/2025 12:56

I don’t share your threats model.
And I don’t think there are nations who just dream of hurting others for the sake of it, instead of just living their lives, caring for their children. Thinking otherwise is racism.

Of course there are sociopaths (in every nation) - we should not arm them.
And also oppressed people with no hope who want vengeance - we should not create more of them.

Just look at Iran's 'supreme' leader's position on this. He has warned the US about intervening and assisting Israel. The same Iran, who sponsors Hamas. It is not racist to despise a region who is NOT interested in protecting its women and children. Their hate for the west and Jews is what is dangerous. I do not despise Muslims, I despise extremists.

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