European Commission President days Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. Israel has right to defend itself

Israeli, not Israelite*.
my edit function is not working for some reason.

It’s both.
Israel can’t dream of a land grab in Iran due to the terrain, the population, the whole logistics. It’s impossible.
They are small time criminals who were grabbing lands from poor Palestinians for decades and were constantly just being given slaps on the wrist which only emboldened them.
Now with Trump on scene, people like Putin and Enetenyahu have direct protection so they have become more ambitious.

However, mid eastern nations neighbouring Israelite occupied regions are the ones who would really be seeing their options now. That is what Netenyahu has unleashed.

You said in your previous post that people in the Middle East will now be thinking that after attacking Iran “land grabbing” Israel will be coming for them next, and now you’re saying Israel can’t even dream to do “land grab” in Iran? So which one is it?

I’m not sure that even Israel could make their neighbours hate them even more. The mere existence of Israel at all stirs up hatred for generations.

Oh god. OK. I'll bite.

Yes its a democracy. BN didn't get a proper majority, so formed a coalition, bringing some awful characters in that very few Israelis voted for. Its complicated. Remember the uk coalition of Conservatives/ Liberal Dems? Similar.

And no, of course by voting in the current administration they were not voting for genocide, land grabing, ethnic cleansing. People have different thoughts on things. Not everyone supports everything that their government does. Surely you know this? And no of course not equally culpable. In the same way that every Gazan is not to be held culpable for the heinous atrocities of Hamas on October 7. As always in war, ordinary citizens pay the price for top level decision making.

Is nuance completely beyond you?

I also fully agree with her that diplomacy is the best way forward.
The Israeli regime has just made is sure that the mullahs find reasons to either hold on or come back eventually.
Exactly like it happened in Afghanistan after we have hundreds of British lives there. It’s so depressing!

BTW I agree with the EU president that Iran shouldn't have a nuclear bomb and her opinion that diplomacy is the best path forward.

@Nowayyousure what do you make of the reports coming out today that US intelligence believed Iran was years away from gaining a nuclear weapon? Not months away as Netanyahu claimed and used as justification to attack Iran right now.

Israel can’t even dream to do land grab in Iran because it is next to impossible! Otherwise, the murderous regime of Netenyahu would definitely have attempted this.
However, they are doing plenty to destabilise the region for their backers and sowing seeds of hatred and revenge for generations to come.

@dairydebris

"It's truly concerning, if some of the views expressed here are really what people are thinking. I hope it's just mumsnet and not the general population."

Sadly these views exist in the general population as well. These people have disappeared down a rabbit hole of hate for Israel, self hate for the West and its values and echo chamber social media and protest marches.

If anything these views are more prevalent in wider society than on MN.

It's only a couple of months ago that five Iranians were arrested for plotting a terrorist bomb attack in London and worryingly it's only small step from supporting a hostile state like Iran, to supporting terrorist attacks in London to becoming an actual terrorist.

I think the less we engage with these people the better, they are not open to rational debate or facts as they are simply driven by emotion and emotion and ideology.

Posts which downplay the threat of Iran holding nuclear weapons.

ETA general pro Iran regime posts too

And it is quite telling that none of these posters respond to any direct questions. It is always ‘because you hate Israeli policies, you are a Jew hater and hence an anti-Semite who must be eliminated’.

Can you explain which views you are talking about?

There's many polls taken over the years, many Israelis were reportedly unhappy when he came into power again in 2022. Hanging on by a thread by making a coalition with the far right parties.

Also, the conflict will stay alive full well.
Which is precisely what the backers of Netenyahu and Trump and Putin want. A world where all the wealth keeps getting squeezed to the top without anyone ever questioning them because they can keep people fighting amongst themselves with wars in most regions.

I think it is concerning. Mn won’t be immune and I think similar could be occurring on other SM.

Polls change, which year and poll are you referring to specifically?

This is one of the points I am trying to make.
Netenyahu had run this campaign of terror for his own gain only and the interests he represents.
None of it is going to make Israel or the world any safer than it was before. In fact, quite the opposite.
He is a tool for the oligarchs that Trump and Putin represent. And an unstable world works very well for these oligarchs. So here we are.

Netanyahu has been in power for more than 17 years. Polls show he is very unpopular in Israel so how is that working out? If he's really so unpopular why does he keep getting elected in this democracy?

You still haven’t answered any of my questions.

By saying that Israel is a true democracy, do you mean to say Israeli people have backed the genocide, ethnic cleansing and land grab in Gaza and hence are equally culpable?