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European Commission President days Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. Israel has right to defend itself

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Nowayyousure · 16/06/2025 04:31

"European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen said she told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday that diplomacy was ultimately best on Iran, but stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire.

Von der Leyen said that she agreed with Netanyahu in a telephone call that "Iran should not have a nuclear weapon, without any question."

Von der Leyen has previously criticised Israel's actions in Gaza, but said that Iran's non-compliance with the UN nuclear watchdog meant Israel "has the right to defend itself".

"Iran is the principal source of regional instability," she added."

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Twiglets1 · 17/06/2025 17:13

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 16:59

Because their people have been electing Netenyahu for a lifetime nearly, are you saying democracy has failed rather big time in Israel?

It's true the people have been electing Netanyahu as prime minister on and off for the last 17 years.

But that doesn't mean democracy has failed in Israel. It is their democratic right to vote for the prime minister they want.

The UK had Margaret Thatcher as prime minister for over 11 years. I never voted for her but it didn't make me doubt that I was living in a democracy.

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 16:59

Twiglets1 · 17/06/2025 16:41

Same … no guarantee you will get what you want in a democracy.

But at least you get a vote.

Because their people have been electing Netenyahu for a lifetime nearly, are you saying democracy has failed rather big time in Israel?

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 16:42

Findoutmode · 17/06/2025 16:35

The Uk is a democracy, I did not want Brexit, Brexit happened.

Are you comparing the war crimes of Netenyahu’s regime with the British people choosing Brexit? Is that what you are saying?

Twiglets1 · 17/06/2025 16:41

Findoutmode · 17/06/2025 16:35

The Uk is a democracy, I did not want Brexit, Brexit happened.

Same … no guarantee you will get what you want in a democracy.

But at least you get a vote.

Findoutmode · 17/06/2025 16:35

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 13:01

But they did. They said Israel is a true democracy. So only one of these things can be true: either all Israeli people are behind a genocidal war criminal wanted by the ICC, OR he is doing it while ignoring what his people want, meaning it is not a democracy and it is a regime.
So which one is it?

I believe the UK Government was just about to ban his cabinet ministers for their ideology right before Netenyahu started this. That is how credible his elected government is.

The Uk is a democracy, I did not want Brexit, Brexit happened.

HellsBalls · 17/06/2025 16:14

Whatsinanamehey · 17/06/2025 15:55

I wonder if @HellsBalls is aware that the 'colourful' language and rhetoric she is using for the Palestinians whilst they are being killed in their thousands, is the same language and rhetoric that was used against Jewish people in Germany to justify the holocaust.

It isn’t, and it certainly isn’t the rhetoric that the Islamist extremists use against Israelis.

Whatsinanamehey · 17/06/2025 15:55

I wonder if @HellsBalls is aware that the 'colourful' language and rhetoric she is using for the Palestinians whilst they are being killed in their thousands, is the same language and rhetoric that was used against Jewish people in Germany to justify the holocaust.

HellsBalls · 17/06/2025 15:28

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 17/06/2025 13:49

Disgusting post but good to know what you really think

My language may have been colourful, but do you have any ideas why no other country in the region want anything to do with Gazans?
Why none of them will accept any refugees?
Even none of the women and children? 🤔

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Disgusting post but good to know what you really think

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Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 13:15

Whatsinanamehey · 17/06/2025 13:14

@Nowayyousure Trump is too unpredictable. He's probably happy by this attack because it will put him in a better negotiating position without doing any of the dirty work himself. The whole region is very volatile though and it might not end up playing out how he wants it too, in the short or long run.

True.

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Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 13:15

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 13:01

But they did. They said Israel is a true democracy. So only one of these things can be true: either all Israeli people are behind a genocidal war criminal wanted by the ICC, OR he is doing it while ignoring what his people want, meaning it is not a democracy and it is a regime.
So which one is it?

I believe the UK Government was just about to ban his cabinet ministers for their ideology right before Netenyahu started this. That is how credible his elected government is.

My reply is above. Maybe Google what is a democracy. Have a look. It will give you some pointers on different types of ways countries are governed or ruled over etc.

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Whatsinanamehey · 17/06/2025 13:14

@Nowayyousure Trump is too unpredictable. He's probably happy by this attack because it will put him in a better negotiating position without doing any of the dirty work himself. The whole region is very volatile though and it might not end up playing out how he wants it too, in the short or long run.

Madcatdudette · 17/06/2025 13:14

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 12:47

I merely highlited how you are not worrying how much anguish there is in the region seeing as the blatant land grab and genocide of Palestinians has gone unpunished.
And I highlighted you don’t seem to care about them so what is the pattern here. I think I may have hit a nerve there. Apologies for that.

Well it appears mumsnet is ok with you saying ‘is it because they are white’
How about you don’t assume it maybe to do with skin colour and understand genocide is happening elsewhere too and the majority is religion based persecution. In some countries in the Middle East even atheism is punishable.
Why would anyone think any of this is about skin colour. It’s not relevant.
No nerve hit by the way. I despise religion not skin colour

Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 13:13

Let's try to help.

Democracy is elected by the people, not all people, some of the people, it might be first past the post, so many people might not have voted for the leader.

Some of those people agree with what you are doing, others won't. They will oppose you.

You have elections every so often to change leaders, or keep the same ones (depending on results of votes). In the UK we vote every 4 or 5 years, unless a government stands down or is given a no confidence vote.

A regime doesn't have elections. For example Iran doesn't have elections. But iran is a bit different, its a theocracy, that means it has a supreme leader.

Sometimes eg in Gaza elections took place a long time ago, because the terrorist leaders didn't want to give people the change to change their leaders. Therefore these terrorist leaders continue to govern.

Does this help a bit 🤔

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Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 13:03

Whatsinanamehey · 17/06/2025 12:48

I get your points, I just don't think bombing Iran right now, especially when Trumps appointed intelligence official said in March that Iran is "not building a nuclear weapon" and the country's supreme leader "has not authorised the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003" was the right think to do.

This stinks of Netanyahu's agenda to ensure his political survival. Conveniently the war in Gaza, the humanitarian catastrophe and failed new aid mechanism, the growing dissent from his own government at home and even the plight of the hostages have all been put on the back foot. I'm sure that suits Netanyahu just fine.

Fair enough, we have different opinions on that. I don't like Netanyahu and can't wait for a new government to be elected moving forward. Its also difficult to know where trump is. One minute he's shouting at Iran to stop otherwise hell will be unleashed, another moment spurring the conflict onwards. I do think that Israel is doing the dirty work that the US may want by weakening Iran. Might be right, might be wrong. They've certainly weakened Hezbollah and Hamas, both funded by Iran.

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Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 13:01

Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 12:56

I'm sure the poster can answer for themselves. However, it is clear that they didn't say any of what you are suggesting.

But they did. They said Israel is a true democracy. So only one of these things can be true: either all Israeli people are behind a genocidal war criminal wanted by the ICC, OR he is doing it while ignoring what his people want, meaning it is not a democracy and it is a regime.
So which one is it?

I believe the UK Government was just about to ban his cabinet ministers for their ideology right before Netenyahu started this. That is how credible his elected government is.

Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 12:56

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 11:45

Is it? Are you saying the people of Israel have elected a war criminal who has an arrest warrant on his person by the ICC? And who is responsible for genocide and ethnic cleansing not to mention land grab from Palestinian people as per evidence from several international organisations? Are you saying Israeli people elected a government several of whose ministers were about ot be banned in the UK due to their extremist ideologies right before Netenyahu launched this illegal war?

Are you saying all of this?

I'm sure the poster can answer for themselves. However, it is clear that they didn't say any of what you are suggesting.

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Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 12:51

Whatsinanamehey · 17/06/2025 12:49

And to add that it was reported today as said above that US intelligence concluded very recently, that Iran was years away, not months away.

Europe already knows this, hence the advocacy for diplomacy from their side. Their hands are bound though because Trump is openly protecting Putin as per Zelensky so Europe is at a weak point. Trump and Netenyahu have really chosen their timing, haven’t they? Which makes me wonder how long have they been planning this for?

Whatsinanamehey · 17/06/2025 12:49

Whatsinanamehey · 17/06/2025 12:48

I get your points, I just don't think bombing Iran right now, especially when Trumps appointed intelligence official said in March that Iran is "not building a nuclear weapon" and the country's supreme leader "has not authorised the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003" was the right think to do.

This stinks of Netanyahu's agenda to ensure his political survival. Conveniently the war in Gaza, the humanitarian catastrophe and failed new aid mechanism, the growing dissent from his own government at home and even the plight of the hostages have all been put on the back foot. I'm sure that suits Netanyahu just fine.

And to add that it was reported today as said above that US intelligence concluded very recently, that Iran was years away, not months away.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 17/06/2025 12:49

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 12:47

I merely highlited how you are not worrying how much anguish there is in the region seeing as the blatant land grab and genocide of Palestinians has gone unpunished.
And I highlighted you don’t seem to care about them so what is the pattern here. I think I may have hit a nerve there. Apologies for that.

Not enough anguish in the region to open their borders and let in the Gazans though.

Whatsinanamehey · 17/06/2025 12:48

Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 12:32

If they are years away then perhaps no action was needed now to slow down the nuclear programme. However, there are other reports that say they have 60% enriched uranium. I wouldn't know which is true. What I do know is I'd be concerned if Iran had nuclear weapons. I'm concerned with the "we've got them why shouldn't Iran have them" going around social media like the latest idiotic soundbite.

There is of course the fact that Iran funds terrorist groups and their various attacks so needs stopping from that. Hezbollah, Hamas, The Houthis and others. None do anything good for their people just hate others and cause destruction. What good are they. Looking into each terrorist organisation funded by Iran they are pretty awful to their own people let alone attacks on Israel.

I get your points, I just don't think bombing Iran right now, especially when Trumps appointed intelligence official said in March that Iran is "not building a nuclear weapon" and the country's supreme leader "has not authorised the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003" was the right think to do.

This stinks of Netanyahu's agenda to ensure his political survival. Conveniently the war in Gaza, the humanitarian catastrophe and failed new aid mechanism, the growing dissent from his own government at home and even the plight of the hostages have all been put on the back foot. I'm sure that suits Netanyahu just fine.

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 12:47

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I merely highlited how you are not worrying how much anguish there is in the region seeing as the blatant land grab and genocide of Palestinians has gone unpunished.
And I highlighted you don’t seem to care about them so what is the pattern here. I think I may have hit a nerve there. Apologies for that.

Madcatdudette · 17/06/2025 12:44

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inamarina · 17/06/2025 12:44

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 12:38

It’s both.
Israel can’t dream of a land grab in Iran due to the terrain, the population, the whole logistics. It’s impossible.
They are small time criminals who were grabbing lands from poor Palestinians for decades and were constantly just being given slaps on the wrist which only emboldened them.
Now with Trump on scene, people like Putin and Enetenyahu have direct protection so they have become more ambitious.

However, mid eastern nations neighbouring Israelite occupied regions are the ones who would really be seeing their options now. That is what Netenyahu has unleashed.

However, mid eastern nations neighbouring Israelite occupied regions are the ones who would really be seeing their options now.

So you’re saying other Middle Eastern countries will attempt land grab now? Why mention “land grab” in Tehran then?