To wish those in Israel safety in these coming times

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Only there's one major difference. Theres absolutely no chance whatsoever that that hospital was an IDF base, had tunnels with IDF hiding out, or had any IDF commanders anywhere near. It was a purely civilian target. So a war crime.

Over the last almost 2 years, Israel has repeatedly tried to persuade the world that hospitals containing civilians are valid military targets.

I guess Iran were listening.

That doesn't mean I don't feel incredibly sorry for the civilians caught up in this, no hospital deserves to be bombed. But it would be incredibly hypocritical if Israel to claim it's unacceptable.

Ok be pedantic it is how they are described on wiki as well, I obviously haven't gone through all government websites but in my experience with stuff like this, most use the same descriptions. My post was in response to posters suggesting that their only reason for being in existence was because they want to kill all Jews I was merely pointing out that that is not the only reason given. As I said thread has moved on

I want no civilian deaths no matter who they are. Speaking as a Palestinian myself, from the WB, i just want all this to be over. Enough. Enough pain. There is so much pain, so much trauma on all sides, it is unbearable.

I do need to echo what you said that one cannot hold an entire population responsible and collectively punish them and hope that for some posters on here they can extend that grace to palestinians, who have been tarred with one big brush.

Many of the violations, from unlawful killings to collective punishment, settlement expansion, and the blockade of Gaza, are still happening right now.

There can be space for reconciliation and even amnesty in some situations, but accountability is essential when crimes are still taking place. Wrote @purpletablet

But under a peace process all that, one would hope, stop. I'm suggesting drawing a line so that violations past that point are indeed held accountable, but the crimes committed by both parties before the peace process are not pursued.

Maybe idealistic, but it's all about concentrating on the future. You see it on here. There has been too much historical "Who has done what to whom", and "Cataloguing of atrocities" and relatively few posts about plausible ways forward.

US government. So when you said most government websites you meant most US government websites. Ok

Interesting page you linked, will have a peruse.

I hear what you are saying about avoiding cycles of revenge, but the issue is that these are not just past crimes. Many of the violations, from unlawful killings to collective punishment, settlement expansion, and the blockade of Gaza, are still happening right now. This is not about dredging up old grievances. It is about stopping ongoing harm and holding current actors accountable.

Letting that go in the name of moving forward risks sending a message that some states can violate international law without consequence. That undermines not only justice for Palestinians but also the rule of law in general.

There can be space for reconciliation and even amnesty in some situations, but accountability is essential when crimes are still taking place. Otherwise, it is not about asking people to move on from the past. It is asking them to accept continued injustice. And that is not a foundation for peace. It is a recipe for resentment and instability.

Which government websites?

Hamas (or the Islamic Resistance Movement) ...

It is considered a proscribed terrorist group I was merely highlighting how they are described and how they see themselves. The thread has move on so I will leave it there.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF12549

are you not getting a bit mixed up? It is completely wrong to target hospitals and this was a direct strike, so there is little doubt they are targeting civilians. It’s a horrific act and “the Gaza crowd” have been saying it for months.

Won't hold my breath for the outcry on here.

Why are you under the impression that posters justify the targeting of civilans?Like @mids2019 I think you have got things mixed up there.

One thing I have not seen on these Boards from posters that post in support of Palestinians is justification or lack of concern for Israeli civilians. The majority view is that it is wrong to target civilians. I find it interesting that two posters here have suggested the opposite, maybe they are too busy looking in the mirror

When has the yeah but Gaza crowd EVER excused bombing hospitals? I think you are getting a bit mixed up there.

It is shocking, hospitals are never a legitimate target I hope those impacted are safe

Of course it's wrong. My question is to @Mids2019.

Agree almost entirely with this, though I have doubts about point 4.
Any meaningful peace process must be looking forward and by trying to pursue historical, criminal actions from either side, simply keeps on dragging up the past. Whilst it might go under the flag of "justice" it is often just revenge and retribution thinly disguised .

I would prefer an amnesty for those on both sides. Yes even for Netanyahu and his cronies.
Start fresh, work towards a situation with a meaningful 2-state solution, so that points 1,2,3 and 5 come to fruition.

No chance.

Israel’s President Isaac Herzog said the Iranian missile strikes that damaged the hospital targeted civilians.

Won't hold my breath for the outcry on here.

Hospitals are the lowest of the low targets, so whoever bombs them is wrong? Surely.

You don't think that's a fair question?

Thank you for your considered response. I will leave it to somebody who is far more qualified than me to address your points, if they so wish.Good to start the day with going forwards, rather than backwards 😊

A fair question. What I outlined is not just my personal view. These principles are broadly supported by international legal experts, human rights organisations, and peace advocates who have studied the conflict for decades.

Here are some of the key elements consistently proposed as part of a just and lasting solution:

1. An end to the occupation — This includes dismantling illegal settlements, lifting the blockade on Gaza, and allowing Palestinians meaningful sovereignty over their own land, in accordance with international law.
2. Equality under the law — Whether through a two-state solution or a shared democratic framework, Palestinians must have the same civil and political rights as Israelis. No long-term peace is possible where one group lives under military rule or second-class status.
3. Right of return or fair compensation — Recognised in UN Resolution 194, this would allow Palestinian refugees to return to their homes or receive just compensation and resettlement options. It remains one of the longest-standing unresolved refugee issues in the world.
4. Justice and accountability — There must be credible investigations into violations committed by all sides, and a genuine commitment to upholding human rights and international humanitarian law.
5. International guarantees and monitoring — Any agreement must be backed by strong international mechanisms to ensure compliance and support, not just vague declarations.

These are not radical ideas. They are grounded in decades of diplomacy, international law, and human rights standards. The real barrier is not a lack of viable proposals, but a lack of political will to apply them equally to both peoples. Moving forward means starting from a place of equal rights, not permanent inequality.

I knew it!

I hope you felt suitably shocked when the Palestinian hospitals were bombed, but I doubt it.

Disgraceful, targeting a hospital. Now where have I heard that before? I take it there will be outrage.