To wish those in Israel safety in these coming times

Quite right, because Israel only wanted a peaceful independent country after the holocaust but the Arabs didn’t want them to have any peace at all

The pp said that the general population of Israel believe they are God's chosen people and that they have a god given right to the land.
I was questioning how they know that given they haven't visited Israel.
Have 90% of ‘pro Palestine’ peeps ever actually been to Palestine?

I'm not looking for empathy....my point is that there isn't any empathy from Israelis

Quite.

I dont understand your point.

I have spent time in Israel. Most Israelis I spoke to feel they have a right to the land due to their historic roots going back thousands of years. Which is a viewpoint I agree with. They also felt that despite the risks of being there, they were amongst their own, understood and at home. Again, something I can sympathize with.

I dont recognize the views the OP shared as common views in Israel at all. I do recognize them as pre conceived, prejudiced, lazy stereotypes. Thats the point I was trying to make.

What empathy are you looking for from a site that is heavily British?

Google is available to everyone, but I have started you off with a couple of screenshots

Oh my. Tell me you don’t know much about the conflict and its history without telling me you don’t know much about it.

What you’re spouting is student-level politics.

This situation is way more complex than that. It’s not the Omnicause version of ‘Palestinians = oppressed good guys, Israelis = bad guy oppressors’ that you’ve been sold. I would seriously suggest you do some reading into the background to the conflict (and no, 1948 or Balfour are NOT the start of it - it goes back centuries if not millennia prior to that).

A both sides situation is EXACTLY what it is.

Solving it will require BOTH sides to to come to see each other as fellow humans, and to come to the table prepared to compromise in the pursuit of peace, which will need to be given higher priority than who’s done what to who or who is right or wrong. Israel will need to cede territory. Palestinians will need to accept Israel should have some territory (turning down an offer for the majority of the land, over and above what would be proportionate for the size of the population, just because they didn’t want Jews to have any land at all was a massive own goal, wasn’t it).

The fact that much of the Middle East hate Israel, are hostile to it and its people, and actively support terrorism and other efforts to destabilise it, is a massive fly in the ointment, of course.

OMG, it’s far more than ‘snatching kids’
In every post there is someone who wants to admonish Israel without actually acknowledging Hamas and the fact they were the terrorists who decided to poke a sleeping bear and are now suffering.
Although it’s not Hamas who are suffering is it? It’s their people who suffer because they can’t tolerate anything other than their own ridiculous ideology

Thank you for good sense and empathy in all this.

You know support for Hamas is illegal? There is no acceptable rationale for what happened on 7 October. It was illegal. It was racist and genocidal. To rationalise it or excuse it is completely unacceptable and only a racist would attempt to do so.

Clearly Israel must want this given they have disrupted the Iranian/American nuclear disarmament talks by bombing them. Proving the need for them to have their own nuclear deterrent.

what 'shit' have Israel endured that justifies snatching Palestinian children from the street, their homes, school and trying them in a military court without legal representation, or even an interpreter. then not allowing visits from family and sexually abusing them?

So arresting someone for throwing stones at car windscreens with the hope that the car will crash, killing or injuring the occupants, is morally equivalent to taking babies captive and then killing them.

Cool.

When people tell you who they are, believe them.

RIP Ariel and Kfir Bibas.

You don’t understand or don’t want to?
Also they do have a right to the land since 1948 at least. It’s only the Arabs who took issue with it.

I saw that there was a Jewish family that celebrated last night and was absolutely sickened. I saw it while sitting with my kids and grandmother in a tiny shelter, very afraid, while the missiles were coming, and it made me so much more upset
it made the news in Israel because it was so repulsive. If it was Gd forbid a normal thing to think or feel here (ie not extreme) it wouldn’t have been newsworthy.

hareclive I did not read your deleted posts, but what remains standing is bad enough. they are incapable of feeling empathy for anyone other than themselves I’m sorry you feel this way about us. It is categorically untrue but I do not think there is anything I can say that would change your mind on this. I hope you are one day able to see us as normal, caring human beings too.

@holysmokee
It’s tragic that it seems we, the whole world, hasn't learnt from history at all.
On the contrary, I think the Israelis have learned some very painful lessons from history.
If governments say they are going to kill, dispossess or drive out Jews, they often go on to do so (various programs, Nazi Germany, many Arab countries which once had thriving Jewish communities, Hamas pre 7th October). The Iranian regime is clear that it wishes to obliterate the Jewish state and has been trying to develop nuclear weapons for decades now. It has sponsored numerous terrorist proxies across the Middle East (including Hamas and iirc the Houthis in Yemen).

Israel has sought to neutralise that nuclear threat.

I don't want any civilians suffering and dying. I don't want countries going to war. However, when you are faced by organised armed groups that wish to wipe out your country, what are you going to do? Sit and wait for the bombs to fall?

You seem to be ignoring the shit Israel has had to endure since they declared themselves an independent state.
Its really not Israel’s fault that the Arab nations took issue with it

No, obviously not.

I dont understand the point you're trying to make, apologies.

The pp said that the general population of Israel believe they are God's chosen people and that they have a god given right to the land.

I was questioning how they know that given they haven't visited Israel.

Perhaps they'll answer soon although theyre caught up in a lot of questions now because their posts were really quite unusual....

it's not a both sides situation. Israel is an occupying nation. they have land, air and sea blockades around Palestine. they take Palestinian homes and land at will. they kidnap hundreds of Palestine including children every year and hold them without trial. Israel tries Palestine children in military court without representation. then when they are detained they are not allowed to have their families visit and they are sexually abused. would you be ok, living like that?

Really? They thought the murder, rape and kidnap of civilians (oh wait sorry, there are no Israeli civilians according to you) would make Israel back off?

Yes.

In the UK we call out racism. Until it’s perpetrated by people other than white westerners. Then it’s fine, especially if it’s directed against Jews.

I hope Islamic countries leave Israel the fuck alone so they don’t need to keep bombing people 🤷‍♀️