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To wish those in Israel safety in these coming times

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mids2019 · 15/06/2025 04:09

Israel is a country at war and I know many will have links or family in that country so I think it appropriate to wish them safety in the coming days.

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Madcatdudette · 15/06/2025 15:15

filipsfence · 15/06/2025 15:02

No example, it's a while ago. I know what I heard, I'm quite pro-Israel (beautiful country, people and culture) but yeah, the guys (very educated middle class left leaning in all other ways) talked about Arabs in a a dehumanising way.

How were they ‘demonising’ Arabs?
Were they really?

ParmaVioletTea · 15/06/2025 15:12

filipsfence · 15/06/2025 15:02

No example, it's a while ago. I know what I heard, I'm quite pro-Israel (beautiful country, people and culture) but yeah, the guys (very educated middle class left leaning in all other ways) talked about Arabs in a a dehumanising way.

So one anecdote = Israelis are Arab-haters ....

As opposed to, well, thousands and millions of examples of documented Jew-hatred, starting with 6 million 1939-1944 and 1,300 on October 7th.

Madcatdudette · 15/06/2025 15:12

filipsfence · 15/06/2025 14:55

Oh this is fairly common with Israelis. I was at a BBQ some time ago and the hosts and several guests were from Israel originally. The guys constantly referred to "Arabs" in a contemptuous and derogatory way. It made me quite uncomfortable as I have had always close muslim friends. They felt clearly entitled to speak in a racist and dehumanising way about Arabs. It's a great shame. I like Israeli culture, food and respect that they are striving as a country but many Israelis do hate Arabs, by and large, just as Palestinians hate Jewish people.

So now we should be horrified and triggered by someone saying Arabs?
You are saying that if someone says ‘Arabs’ they are terribly racist?

Madcatdudette · 15/06/2025 15:09

@greencartbluecart Yet I haven’t seen any poster that has been pro Israel and anti Palestine.
Please count them because all I see is the pro Palestine folk who refuse to understand why Israel are doing what they are doing 🤷‍♀️
All I see is obvious Islamists who are refusing to acknowledge the reason Israel are still fighting for a place to be free from persecution

SharonEllis · 15/06/2025 15:04

Why was jujujudo's post deleted?

filipsfence · 15/06/2025 15:02

Dangermoo · 15/06/2025 14:58

Have you got an example of "Arabs" being used in a derogatory way,

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No example, it's a while ago. I know what I heard, I'm quite pro-Israel (beautiful country, people and culture) but yeah, the guys (very educated middle class left leaning in all other ways) talked about Arabs in a a dehumanising way.

Dangermoo · 15/06/2025 14:58

filipsfence · 15/06/2025 14:55

Oh this is fairly common with Israelis. I was at a BBQ some time ago and the hosts and several guests were from Israel originally. The guys constantly referred to "Arabs" in a contemptuous and derogatory way. It made me quite uncomfortable as I have had always close muslim friends. They felt clearly entitled to speak in a racist and dehumanising way about Arabs. It's a great shame. I like Israeli culture, food and respect that they are striving as a country but many Israelis do hate Arabs, by and large, just as Palestinians hate Jewish people.

Have you got an example of "Arabs" being used in a derogatory way,

filipsfence · 15/06/2025 14:55

Kakeandkake · 15/06/2025 12:01

Last night some Israelis were cheering on and chanting for the village to burn. This was because the Iranian missile struck a area in Israel where some Arabs reside. Jewish Israelis cheering on the death of Arab Israelis.

I don't have much hope for peace when this level of hatred exist.

Oh this is fairly common with Israelis. I was at a BBQ some time ago and the hosts and several guests were from Israel originally. The guys constantly referred to "Arabs" in a contemptuous and derogatory way. It made me quite uncomfortable as I have had always close muslim friends. They felt clearly entitled to speak in a racist and dehumanising way about Arabs. It's a great shame. I like Israeli culture, food and respect that they are striving as a country but many Israelis do hate Arabs, by and large, just as Palestinians hate Jewish people.

Madcatdudette · 15/06/2025 14:46

Let’s be really clear (channeling my inner Keir Starmer here) The majority of US and UK citizens do not care about Gaza, Iran or any other backwards civilisation.
It’s great if your life isn’t shit and you have space to give a shit then you do you and keep protesting.
There are however millions who would rather not get involved with this shit and do not gaf about any Middle East country.
If you were that bothered you’d be enrolled into a peace keeping mission rather than spouting bollocks on MN

Dangermoo · 15/06/2025 14:45

greencartbluecart · 15/06/2025 14:38

no they didn’t start a thread on the difficulties the Palestinian people ard facing
nor one on the Iranians

I strongly suspect that if I count threads the “pro isreali” theme comes out strongest - I was minded to do that a month or two back and things haven’t changed
a new pro isreali thread every time the old one drops down the ratings

You're having a laugh. I'm talking about all the threads since 7/10 and they are certainly not a majority of 'pro' Israeli posts!

greencartbluecart · 15/06/2025 14:38

no they didn’t start a thread on the difficulties the Palestinian people ard facing
nor one on the Iranians

I strongly suspect that if I count threads the “pro isreali” theme comes out strongest - I was minded to do that a month or two back and things haven’t changed
a new pro isreali thread every time the old one drops down the ratings

Dangermoo · 15/06/2025 14:34

hellohellooo · 15/06/2025 13:59

Did you start the same thread for Gaza?

Genuine question ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

There are numerous threads on Gaza.

Madcatdudette · 15/06/2025 14:28

ParmaVioletTea · 15/06/2025 14:05

Indeed. Given that Jews were violently evicted from their own lands (in the area of Palestine, gosh) and then violently evicted from anywhere they settled - for about the last 2,000 years. We had pogroms in England a 1000 years ago, and an obscure man called Adolf Hitler wanted to extirminate every Jew from the earth, in his "Final Solution."

Oh yes, we fought a war against that ...

Unfortunately we live in a society that thinks protecting your own land and culture is tantamount to [insert vile labelling here]
The fact that there is so much hatred towards the Jewish community is not a reflection on British people, it’s a reflection of the culture of Islam thinking it’s above any other religion.
I hate Islam because they are medieval in their perception of women as equals.
Let’s not forget Iran is a country who allows child brides. This in itself is a violation of human rights

Madcatdudette · 15/06/2025 14:13

ParmaVioletTea · 15/06/2025 14:05

Indeed. Given that Jews were violently evicted from their own lands (in the area of Palestine, gosh) and then violently evicted from anywhere they settled - for about the last 2,000 years. We had pogroms in England a 1000 years ago, and an obscure man called Adolf Hitler wanted to extirminate every Jew from the earth, in his "Final Solution."

Oh yes, we fought a war against that ...

It’s mind boggling the amount of people who want to deny Israel’s sanctuary after the holocaust.
Shit, I’ve even seen people refer to it as the ‘holo hoax’ yet apparently, Israel is the devil because they defend the sanctuary they have.
Its not Israel who refused the boundary created in 1948 yet if you think otherwise you are cruel and evil 🤷‍♀️

LBFseBrom · 15/06/2025 14:06

Not just Israel, I hope for safety for everyone involved in the middle east conflict. Elsewhere too. I also hope we stay well out of it! Enough lives have been lost over the past few years. I believe WW2 was worth fighting but there it ends for me. Many Americans have not got over Vietnam! Thank goodness we didn't get dragged into that but it was still harrowing.

Madcatdudette · 15/06/2025 14:06

LittleAlexHornesPocket · 15/06/2025 14:02

I wish we could construct a giant dome over the entire region and just leave them to it. Fed up of our resources and personnel being pulled into conflicts because they can't agree which one of their imaginary gods are the best one to follow.

I honestly think that most people would agree with you.
Sick to death of religion and the war it brings

ParmaVioletTea · 15/06/2025 14:05

Madcatdudette · 15/06/2025 14:01

Why is it a surprise Cilla? Israel was given a safe haven and the Arab nations were given land too. It was the Arabs who kicked off about it in 1948.
How about letting them have the sanctuary they were afforded

Indeed. Given that Jews were violently evicted from their own lands (in the area of Palestine, gosh) and then violently evicted from anywhere they settled - for about the last 2,000 years. We had pogroms in England a 1000 years ago, and an obscure man called Adolf Hitler wanted to extirminate every Jew from the earth, in his "Final Solution."

Oh yes, we fought a war against that ...

Madcatdudette · 15/06/2025 14:03

Kakeandkake · 15/06/2025 13:52

Agreed. Cruel and callous.

Aww, welcome to the west’s underdogs

MummytoE · 15/06/2025 14:03

Madcatdudette · 15/06/2025 13:58

Yep I suspect it is genocide, but when Hamas have openly vowed to exterminate all ‘Zionist’s’ it’s understandable.
Genocide is something that’s going on worldwide. I don’t feel the need to be pro Palestine when other nations are exterminating other religious groups.
In fact, the world would be a better place if religion wasn’t a thing

Well I certainly agree with your last point

LittleAlexHornesPocket · 15/06/2025 14:02

I wish we could construct a giant dome over the entire region and just leave them to it. Fed up of our resources and personnel being pulled into conflicts because they can't agree which one of their imaginary gods are the best one to follow.

BunfightBetty · 15/06/2025 14:01

Kakeandkake · 15/06/2025 13:56

After they had their land stolen from them. Surprise surprise.

After Jordan was created for them and they refused to accept a disproportionately high area of the land remaining, because they didn’t want Jews to have ANY of the land they had been living on for thousands of years, you mean.

BOTH sides have a legitimate claim to the land.

Madcatdudette · 15/06/2025 14:01

Kakeandkake · 15/06/2025 13:56

After they had their land stolen from them. Surprise surprise.

Why is it a surprise Cilla? Israel was given a safe haven and the Arab nations were given land too. It was the Arabs who kicked off about it in 1948.
How about letting them have the sanctuary they were afforded

hellohellooo · 15/06/2025 13:59

mids2019 · 15/06/2025 04:09

Israel is a country at war and I know many will have links or family in that country so I think it appropriate to wish them safety in the coming days.

Did you start the same thread for Gaza?

Genuine question ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Madcatdudette · 15/06/2025 13:58

MummytoE · 15/06/2025 13:55

Yes, you are right, it is a genocide. Well said

Yep I suspect it is genocide, but when Hamas have openly vowed to exterminate all ‘Zionist’s’ it’s understandable.
Genocide is something that’s going on worldwide. I don’t feel the need to be pro Palestine when other nations are exterminating other religious groups.
In fact, the world would be a better place if religion wasn’t a thing

Kakeandkake · 15/06/2025 13:56

Madcatdudette · 15/06/2025 13:53

Yes, because the Arabs were the ones who refused to acknowledge Israel’s new home

After they had their land stolen from them. Surprise surprise.