To wish those in Israel safety in these coming times

most of the Jews that went to Palestine after WW2 don't have a drop of ME blood, they were European converts this is nonsense. Where are you getting this from?

there are millions of non Zionist Jews who opposed Israel far more strongly than I do. as above . There are only 15.8 million Jews in the world of whom nearly half live in Israel (I would assume minimally Zionists at the least). Of the 8 million or so outside of Israel, how many of those are kids?? And actually polls regularly suggest the vast majority of Jews are Zionists

There are less than 16 million Jews in the whole world, half living in Israel. A tiny number of Jews don't believe the state of Israel should exist (and for quite particular, much misundetstood reasons, on the whole). The number of Christian zionists is a complete irrelevance. Your grasp of maths is as ropey as your history.

The 'fact' that ir was partitioned among those who lived there is one of the biggest lies I was taught in history lessons. read about the forceful and brutal misplacement of Palestinian people to make room for Jewish people who came from all over the world and who had not previouslt lived anywhere near the territory. Reading up on it was so wide opening- and what followed suit.

Yes but you could not deny that Palestininans were not at that time restricted to relatively two tiny spaces, and were free to move and live their lives before the mass displacement to make room for millions of European/American Jews who moved there.

oh give over, there are millions of non Zionist Jews who opposed Israel far more strongly than I do. and the most vocal supporters of Zionism in the USA are Christian

You have no attention of addressing your ignorance so there is no point in discussing further with you.

And yes, you're right, to describe the shoah as 'persecution' is grotesque. This person has already unapologetically said they have no empathy for Israeli people. Its clear they have none for Jewish people. There is a word for that.

Like many many places at the time and throughout history. Its always painful but its not unique to the creation of Israel or the collapse of the British empire.

Was it stolen? Or was it partitioned among people who lived there, requiring some of the people on each side to relocate?

Your ignorance is astounding. The Jewish people come from Israel. I dont believe god gave it to them because Im an atheist, but its historical fact. Zionism, the desire to return to Israel, not the Herzl variety, runs through Judaism long before the 20th century. Australia is a nonsense.

I'd like to know that, too.

How to tell when somebody understates the atrocities of the biggest genocide in history. It's like jewish persecution is just an aside.

This little fact is conveniently forgotten about just so they can claim the whole “they hate Israel only because they’re Jewish” and not because “they took the homes and lands of people who were already living there”.

Not sure how many other people would be expected to hand over their homes and land with a smile and just accept it.

I feel immense sympathy and sorrow for Israel. Theyre surrouned by countries anf people headed up by rogue regimes. They have trouble on all sides. Hopefully they will come through it all okay.

So it's only relevant who stole it when it's stolen from people who now refer to themselves as Palestinian. There were other people on these lands too. It's not relevant if stolen from people before? Why?

Many countries have stolen land over the centuries during wars etc if you go back enough should all lands be reassigned.

Oh do fuck off @Madcatdudette - your nonsense is absolutely not representative of ‘the majority’ of British people at all. If nothing else, some of us realise that the world is bigger than our own little bubble and actually understand history. ‘A quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing’ indeed!

It’s wholly irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is that Arabs and Jews were given land. The Jews welcomed it the Arabs didn’t.

Quite. Somebody recently questioned use of the term Arabs, insinuating it was a mocking word! This is where people. Who are ignorant on the history of the conflict, and its players, need to tread carefully. The worst culprits are those who think they know what zionism is. That's the most dangerous misuse of an ideology, hijacked by ignorant troublemakers.

I obviously realise that time can be Arab Christian and Arab Jewish.

Who did the Ottoman empire steal it from before?

I’m touched that you had faith that Iran would voluntarily give up its stated aim to nuke Israel off the face of the planet, it only the US spoke nicely to them for a bit longer.

Back in the real world, have you read Matthew Syed’s piece in The Times today? You might find it interesting.

A lot of people think they are as clever as James O’Brien on LBC at pretending to be fair minded and impartial while using the unintended civilian casualties to cleverly slip in the antisemitism.

Most of the pro-Palestine brigade on MN are far more clumsy and the antisemitism is usually clearly on view after a couple of sentences or posts.

It wasn't all arab land, there were Jewish, Christian and other people all living there.