To wish those in Israel safety in these coming times

No, I mean surviving decades of occupation, displacement, siege, and bombardment without the protection of a state, an army, or basic human rights. Reducing all Palestinian resistance to “terrorism” is a convenient way to ignore the root causes of this conflict and to dehumanise a people who have been fighting simply to exist.

You are twisting words dishonestly. I would question the sanity who would NOT describe 7 October as savage. To wish death of those who committed such an atrocity is a normal human reaction. It is not genocidal. She did not say she wished all Palestinians to be wiped off the face off the earth. Unless you are saying all Palestinians were involved in 7 October? They cant then be innocent civilians. Palestinians aren't blamed for 'daring to exist'. They are blamed for committing horrendous atrocities.

Israel bombed Iran first. Iran has every right to defend itself. Hard to believe that anyone could possibly still support Israel given how many innocent women and children they’ve killed in Gaza.

What you’ve written is a clear example of how dehumanising language is used to justify mass violence. Calling an entire population “savages” and suggesting they deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth is not righteous anger. It is genocidal thinking.

October 7 was horrifying. The killing of civilians is always wrong. But if you truly cared about human life, you would also condemn the mass killing of Palestinian civilians. Over 15,000 children have died in Gaza. Entire families have been erased. Hospitals and refugee camps have been bombed. That is not self defence. That is collective punishment.

You say you have never seen Israelis do those things. But there are videos of settlers cheering as Gaza burns, of soldiers mocking and abusing Palestinians, of children being detained, of people being humiliated and brutalised under occupation. Just because it is not shown the same way in the media does not mean it does not happen.

You also claim that Palestinians voted for endless war. Gaza has not had an election since 2006. Nearly half the population is under 18. Most have grown up knowing nothing but blockade, airstrikes, and military raids. Blaming them for their own suffering is not only cruel, it is factually incorrect.

If your idea of peace requires flattening Gaza, praising Netanyahu, and calling millions of people “savages,” then you are not defending Israel. You are defending ethnic cleansing.

I believe both Palestinians and Israelis deserve peace and safety. But that will never happen while one side holds all the power and the other is blamed for daring to exist.

This.

Israel has constant attacks from various terrorist groups all proxies of Iran. Of course it should defend itself.

There is quite a bit of revisionism in your comment, so let me clarify a few things.

Palestinians were under Egyptian and Jordanian control from 1948 to 1967 because they were never allowed to form a sovereign state after the 1947 UN Partition Plan was rejected by both sides and war broke out. During that time, they remained largely stateless and without autonomy. That does not mean their identity did not exist.

The claim that Palestinian identity was invented in 1964 is not accurate. Palestinian nationalism began developing earlier, particularly in response to colonial rule and displacement. Like many national identities, it emerged over time. Identifying as Arabs did not erase their connection to the land or their desire for self-determination.

Gaza and the West Bank came under Israeli occupation after the 1967 war, when Israel captured those territories from Egypt and Jordan. Since then, Israel has imposed military rule, expanded settlements, and restricted basic freedoms. These are clear violations of international law.

As for the border walls, Egypt’s is largely a response to the destabilising effects of the blockade on Gaza. Israel’s separation wall in the West Bank has been widely criticised for annexing Palestinian land under the pretext of security.

You say you are not motivated by hate, but when Palestinian suffering is always explained away or blamed on them entirely, that raises questions. Thinking clearly also means being able to recognise injustice, no matter who is responsible for it.

Imagine seeing photos of children being blown to pieces, babies where you can count every rib, hearing a tape of a little girl pleading to be rescued before she is shot 100s of times, hearing testimony from Dr's speaking of children being executed and not just thinking but actually typing about these victims 'crying genocide'. I'm sure their mums, if they are still alive, would love to hear their babies cry one last time. It's a fucking cruel world that we live in that's for sure.

What did they endure under Egyptian and Jordanian occupation from 1948 to 1967?

How did they become under Egyptian and Jordanian occupation?

How did Gaza and the West Bank come under Israeli occupation?

How did they even become Palestinians as they self identified as Arabs and no sovereign or national identity existed before Yasser Arafat invented it in 1964.

Why did Israel AND EGYPT have to put up border walls?

Conveniently forgot those bits?

Palestinians aren’t a threat to me at all. Do you assume I’m Israeli? I have the capacity to think relatively clearly though, can do my own research, and am not blinded by hate for Israel and the Jewish people.

What a load of nonsense. Palestinians - or as they were known at the time, Arabs - started a civil war against the Jews in 1947, after the UN vote.

Later, in 1948, the day after the Jews declared independence, the Arab League attacked the newly formed State of Israel in an attempt to annihilate it.

In the course of those two wars, there were many Arabs who lost their homes. Some by force; others because they'd left home temporarily to allow for the Jews to be pushed into the sea, and were left high and dry when that dastardly plan didn't succeed.

It should be noted that many Jews lost their homes too, in East Jerusalem (Sheikh Jarrah), Old City and other places.

For the next 19 years the Arabs lived happily under either Jordan (Judea aka West Bank) or Egypt (Gaza). During those years they, along with the other surrounding Arab nations, kept attacking the Jews in a myriad of ways.

In about 1964 the erstwhile Arabs of Mandatory Palestine rebranded themselves as Palestinians, while they continued to campaign and work towards the annihilation of Israel.

In 1967, in an existential war, Israel took back Judea from Jordan, and Gaza from Egypt. Ever since, the Arab inhabitants of those territories, by now named Palestinians, have waged a war of attrition against Israel.

Despite many overtures and attempts at peace deals by Israel, the Palestinians were adamant to remain belligerent. Their demands are ostensibly for self rule, yet every time they've been offered actual an actual state in return for peace, they declined.

Over the years, notably since the intifadas, Israel was forced to tighten its borders and checkpoints between the Palestinian areas and the rest of Israel. This was in order to protect innocent Israelis from Palestinian terrorism.

In 2005 Israel withdrew from Gaza, in an attempt to hand the Gazan Palestinians a chance for self autonomy. Unfortunately they preferred spending their efforts and $billions to attack Israel, rather than building their own state. They launched hundreds of thousands of missiles into Israel, indiscriminately targeting civilian areas.

Invariably Israel was forced to respond militarily, and that of course gave them photo ops to cry genocide and oppression.

That's the history of 'Palestinian' 'oppression' in a nutshell.

What a load of nonsense. Palestinians - or as they were known at the time, Arabs - started a civil war against the Jews in 1947, after the UN vote.

Later, in 1948, the day after the Jews declared independence, the Arab League attacked the newly formed State of Israel in an attempt to annihilate it.

In the course of those two wars, there were many Arabs who lost their homes. Some by force; others because they'd left home temporarily to allow for the Jews to be pushed into the sea, and were left high and dry when that dastardly plan didn't succeed.

It should be noted that many Jews lost their homes too, in East Jerusalem (Sheikh Jarrah), Old City and other places.

For the next 19 years the Arabs lived happily under either Jordan (Judea aka West Bank) or Egypt (Gaza). During those years they, along with the other surrounding Arab nations, kept attacking the Jews in a myriad of ways.

In about 1964 the erstwhile Arabs of Mandatory Palestine rebranded themselves as Palestinians, while they continued to campaign and work towards the annihilation of Israel.

In 1967, in an existential war, Israel took back Judea from Jordan, and Gaza from Egypt. Ever since, the Arab inhabitants of those territories, by now named Palestinians, have waged a war of attrition against Israel.

Despite many overtures and attempts at peace deals by Israel, the Palestinians were adamant to remain belligerent. Their demands are ostensibly for self rule, yet every time they've been offered actual an actual state in return for peace, they declined.

Over the years, notably since the intifadas, Israel was forced to tighten its borders and checkpoints between the Palestinian areas and the rest of Israel. This was in order to protect innocent Israelis from Palestinian terrorism.

In 2005 Israel withdrew from Gaza, in an attempt to hand the Gazan Palestinians a chance for self autonomy. Unfortunately they preferred spending their efforts and $billions to attack Israel, rather than building their own state. They launched hundreds of thousands of missiles into Israel, indiscriminately targeting civilian areas.

Invariably Israel was forced to respond militarily, and that of course gave them photo ops to cry genocide and oppression.

That's the history of 'Palestinian' 'oppression' in a nutshell.

What a load of nonsense. Palestinians - or as they were known at the time, Arabs - started a civil war against the Jews in 1947, after the UN vote.

Later, in 1948, the day after the Jews declared independence, the Arab League attacked the newly formed State of Israel in an attempt to annihilate it.

In the course of those two wars, there were many Arabs who lost their homes. Some by force; others because they'd left home temporarily to allow for the Jews to be pushed into the sea, and were left high and dry when that dastardly plan didn't succeed.

It should be noted that many Jews lost their homes too, in East Jerusalem (Sheikh Jarrah), Old City and other places.

For the next 19 years the Arabs lived happily under either Jordan (Judea aka West Bank) or Egypt (Gaza). During those years they, along with the other surrounding Arab nations, kept attacking the Jews in a myriad of ways.

In about 1964 the erstwhile Arabs of Mandatory Palestine rebranded themselves as Palestinians, while they continued to campaign and work towards the annihilation of Israel.

In 1967, in an existential war, Israel took back Judea from Jordan, and Gaza from Egypt. Ever since, the Arab inhabitants of those territories, by now named Palestinians, have waged a war of attrition against Israel.

Despite many overtures and attempts at peace deals by Israel, the Palestinians were adamant to remain belligerent. Their demands are ostensibly for self rule, yet every time they've been offered actual an actual state in return for peace, they declined.

Over the years, notably since the intifadas, Israel was forced to tighten its borders and checkpoints between the Palestinian areas and the rest of Israel. This was in order to protect innocent Israelis from Palestinian terrorism.

In 2005 Israel withdrew from Gaza, in an attempt to hand the Gazan Palestinians a chance for self autonomy. Unfortunately they preferred spending their efforts and $billions to attack Israel, rather than building their own state. They launched hundreds of thousands of missiles into Israel, indiscriminately targeting civilian areas.

Invariably Israel was forced to respond militarily, and that of course gave them photo ops to cry genocide and oppression.

That's the history of 'Palestinian' 'oppression' in a nutshell.

That’s not a correction. It’s a distortion.

Palestinians have been fighting for the right to live freely on their own land, without military occupation, siege, and forced displacement. Framing their struggle as a desire to erase Israel is a convenient way to avoid confronting the reality of what they have endured since 1948.

Demanding freedom and dignity is not the same as demanding someone else’s destruction. Maybe you should ask yourself why you view Palestinian existence as such a threat.

What you’ve written is a clear example of how dehumanising language is used to justify mass violence. Calling an entire population “savages” and suggesting they deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth is not righteous anger. It is genocidal thinking.

October 7 was horrifying. The killing of civilians is always wrong. But if you truly cared about human life, you would also condemn the mass killing of Palestinian civilians. Over 15,000 children have died in Gaza. Entire families have been erased. Hospitals and refugee camps have been bombed. That is not self defence. That is collective punishment.

You say you have never seen Israelis do those things. But there are videos of settlers cheering as Gaza burns, of soldiers mocking and abusing Palestinians, of children being detained, of people being humiliated and brutalised under occupation. Just because it is not shown the same way in the media does not mean it does not happen.

You also claim that Palestinians voted for endless war. Gaza has not had an election since 2006. Nearly half the population is under 18. Most have grown up knowing nothing but blockade, airstrikes, and military raids. Blaming them for their own suffering is not only cruel, it is factually incorrect.

If your idea of peace requires flattening Gaza, praising Netanyahu, and calling millions of people “savages,” then you are not defending Israel. You are defending ethnic cleansing.

I believe both Palestinians and Israelis deserve peace and safety. But that will never happen while one side holds all the power and the other is blamed for daring to exist.

What you’ve written is a clear example of how dehumanising language is used to justify mass violence. Calling an entire population “savages” and suggesting they deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth is not righteous anger. It is genocidal thinking.

October 7 was horrifying. The killing of civilians is always wrong. But if you truly cared about human life, you would also condemn the mass killing of Palestinian civilians. Over 15,000 children have died in Gaza. Entire families have been erased. Hospitals and refugee camps have been bombed. That is not self defence. That is collective punishment.

You say you have never seen Israelis do those things. But there are videos of settlers cheering as Gaza burns, of soldiers mocking and abusing Palestinians, of children being detained, of people being humiliated and brutalised under occupation. Just because it is not shown the same way in the media does not mean it does not happen.

You also claim that Palestinians voted for endless war. Gaza has not had an election since 2006. Nearly half the population is under 18. Most have grown up knowing nothing but blockade, airstrikes, and military raids. Blaming them for their own suffering is not only cruel, it is factually incorrect.

If your idea of peace requires flattening Gaza, praising Netanyahu, and calling millions of people “savages,” then you are not defending Israel. You are defending ethnic cleansing.

I believe both Palestinians and Israelis deserve peace and safety. But that will never happen while one side holds all the power and the other is blamed for daring to exist.

You make me laugh. If the “Poor Palestinians” hadn’t made Israeli lives a daily misery with their constant rockets followed by the rape, torture and mutilation and kidnap of civilians, we wouldn’t be where we are.

You’re bang on that if Israel was helpless it wouldn’t exist. Luckily it isn’t helpless!

More reverse psychology copied from Israel’s decades long fight to exist since its inception.

Palestinians have not been fighting to exist. They have been fighting for Israel not to exist.

See corrected it for you.

I’ll be perfectly honest and say I do regard the Palestinians who ‘expressed their rage’ on October 7th as savages. That includes civilians participating in the slaughter, rapes and kidnapping, and those cheering, attacking and spitting on the dead bodies, that also includes those who brought their children to see the grotesque spectacle of a murdered baby and a toddler paraded in their coffins.

Never seen an Israeli do any of that and they’re not even allowed to quite reasonably be angry about the beyond barbaric atrocities that was enacted on their people that day, let alone express them in words, without being labelled as monsters.

How would any other society react to the events of Oct 7th? Do you think they’d be sympathetic to the savages that horrifically wiped out whole communities and families, and hundreds of young people at a music festival inflicting as much terror and as much pain as it is possible to experience? Babies and children kidnapped by the very savages who carried out those acts? Do you think they’d say ‘ah, but we feel sorry for them that they create the situation to want to do that to us, we should help them do it again, and again’.

I wouldn’t, I’d feel absolutely murderous and want them all wiped off the face of the earth, especially if I had the means to do it quickly.

Luckily I’m not in government and luckily the Israeli government hasn’t acted as some Israelis may have wanted them to do. They acted to remove the source of the terror and indoctrination, sadly with civilian deaths in the process due to the very actions of Hamas in using their people as sacrifices/human shields/martyrs offering no protection that any civilian should be able to count on when their government deliberately invokes war and surrounding non hostile countries not granting refuge as has happened in every war in human history.

Let’s not forget a majority of those parents in Gaza elected a terrorist organisation to govern them knowing full well what their charter was and by doing so knowingly surrendered their children to a never ending conflict. They had autonomy when they voted in Hamas. The Palestinians consistently rejected their own State because they wanted ALL the land.

See the reverse psychology now with their supporters insisting Israel wants ALL the land so they allowed THEIR citizens to be sacrificed on Oct 7th so they could START a war in Gaza.

How can anyone with a modicum of intellect and a brief research of the history would buy this is beyond me but actually it’s not because it’s borne out of a plain old hatred of the Jewish people.

As PPs have said they even stoop so low as to try to defend the Iranian regime, on a site known for the defence of women’s rights, because they just CANNOT bring themselves to even consider that Israel may not be the bad guy,

I am wise enough to understand though that the fake cause of the Palestinians can be reversed, the web of indoctrination can be unravelled, and the next generations of Palestinian people can live in peace alongside Israel.

That means first getting rid of the tentacles of Hamas, and its evil serpent master, Iran.

Thankfully Israel has taken on the challenge and will prevail.

And yes, Netanyahu is a bloody hero for doing what no one else had the courage to do.

Oh, give over! It’s the Palestinians who have known nothing but terror since Israel’s inception. They have been forced from their homes, occupied, blockaded, bombed, and dehumanised for generations. Israel is not the victim in this story. It is the regional superpower, armed to the teeth, backed by global powers, and enforcing brutal control over a stateless population.

Framing Israel as a helpless nation just trying to survive is laughable. If anyone has had to survive against all odds, it is the Palestinians. And they have done it with no army, no state, and no protection. Just resilience in the face of Israel’s brutality.

No, I mean surviving decades of occupation, displacement, siege, and bombardment without the protection of a state, an army, or basic human rights. Reducing all Palestinian resistance to “terrorism” is a convenient way to ignore the root causes of this conflict and to dehumanise a people who have been fighting simply to exist.

You’re twisting what I said. I didn’t say anyone deserves harm. I was pointing out the double standard in how people react when the same sentiments come from different sides. When Palestinians express rage after decades of occupation, displacement, and bombardment, they’re labelled as savages. But when Israelis express open hatred or call for Gaza to be “flattened,” it’s often excused as justified anger or self-defence.

My comment was meant to hold up a mirror. It was asking why violence wished upon Palestinians is so widely accepted, while even imagining that reversed causes outrage. That is the double standard. And the fact that people are more upset by my words than by the actual suffering of Palestinians only proves my point.

It’s funny. When I said I wished for Israelis exactly what they wished for Palestinians, the immediate assumption was that I must want Israelis to suffer. Maybe ask yourself why that was your first thought.

@purpletablet ”And they have done it with no army, no state, and no protection. Just resilience”

You mean just terrorism?