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To wish those in Israel safety in these coming times

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mids2019 · 15/06/2025 04:09

Israel is a country at war and I know many will have links or family in that country so I think it appropriate to wish them safety in the coming days.

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Kakeandkake · 18/06/2025 11:57

LBFseBrom · 18/06/2025 11:35

I agree with purpletablet, above.

So do I. You can't starve two million people and call it self defence. You can't flatten entire residential blocks because you think you spotted a Hamas fighter there. You can't kill thousands of babies and children thinking this will bring you safety.

LBFseBrom · 18/06/2025 11:35

I agree with purpletablet, above.

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 11:25

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 11:03

If Israel rolled over, it would be destroyed. You're never going to believe that, so it is pointless engaging further.

I’m not saying Israel should do nothing. Every country has the right to defend its people. But defense must be carried out while upholding international law and respecting the lives of civilians. How can deliberately starving 2 million people be called self-defense? There have to be limits, especially when tens of thousands of civilians die and entire communities are destroyed. True security comes not just from military action but also from using sanctions and negotiations, engaging in political discourse, and seeking peaceful solutions. Collective punishment and disproportionate force only fuel more hatred and violence in the long run.

dairydebris · 18/06/2025 11:20

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 11:05

The basic facts I think many struggle to engage with are these: Israel’s military actions have caused massive civilian casualties and displacement in Gaza. The scale of destruction goes beyond what is reasonable for self-defence. Also, the historical context of occupation and blockade that shapes this conflict is often ignored or minimised. I’m happy to discuss any specific points you think I’ve missed or misunderstood.

Thankyou.

100% fully agree that Israels actions have caused massive civilian casualties and displacement. Agree its a fact.

The scale of destruction goes beyond self defence. This isn't a fact. Its your opinion. My opinion is that you or I dont decide what's too far. Hamas is still around, threatening to slaughter Jews. Although they've offered to take a 5 year break on slaughtering Jews. I guess that's unacceptable to BN... I think that's a reasonable stance to take. I'd ask you genuinely- why dont Hamas just take the initiative here, take control of their people's future and surrender, return hostages, admit Israels right to exist and let someone else start the negotiations?

The historical state of occupation and blockade is a direct result of the choices Palestinian leadership has always made, ie to try to further their political goals by attempting to kill Israeli citizens. I agree the history of the region is often minimized, what's more troubling is when people dont seem aware of the history at all. For example, when you said the Palestinians had no support? Or when you said they were made stateless? These both are just not true. They never had a state, they were not made stateless. They didn't take the opportunity to declare a state. I'd like to know why you think that is, and do you think its Israels fault Palestinians didn't declare a state? Who's fault is it?

How do you think Israel should deal with a nation on their doorstep that openly wants to murder their civilians?

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 11:05

dairydebris · 18/06/2025 10:40

OK then.

What basic fact have any of us refused to engage with? I promise I'll listen.

If you'd like me to point to basic facts that you've not engaged with I'm happy to provide- Please let me know.

It'll be interesting to hear because I do agree it gets very difficult on here to even agree on basic facts, so moving on from that feels impossible...

Over to you...

The basic facts I think many struggle to engage with are these: Israel’s military actions have caused massive civilian casualties and displacement in Gaza. The scale of destruction goes beyond what is reasonable for self-defence. Also, the historical context of occupation and blockade that shapes this conflict is often ignored or minimised. I’m happy to discuss any specific points you think I’ve missed or misunderstood.

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 11:03

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 10:59

So because extremists threaten Israel, that gives it the right to level entire neighbourhoods, kill thousands of civilians, and displace over a million people? That is not self-defence, that is collective punishment on a massive scale. If any other country did this, you would call it a war crime. But when Israel does it, suddenly all basic standards go out the window.

If Israel rolled over, it would be destroyed. You're never going to believe that, so it is pointless engaging further.

dairydebris · 18/06/2025 11:01

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 10:59

So because extremists threaten Israel, that gives it the right to level entire neighbourhoods, kill thousands of civilians, and displace over a million people? That is not self-defence, that is collective punishment on a massive scale. If any other country did this, you would call it a war crime. But when Israel does it, suddenly all basic standards go out the window.

So would you prefer Israel sit back and let the extremists have at it?

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 10:59

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 10:37

Except Israel is the country that has many Islamic extremists wanting to destroy it. You don't think those terrorists will turn its attention to the west, once they are done? I know I do, which is one reason I will always back Israel.

So because extremists threaten Israel, that gives it the right to level entire neighbourhoods, kill thousands of civilians, and displace over a million people? That is not self-defence, that is collective punishment on a massive scale. If any other country did this, you would call it a war crime. But when Israel does it, suddenly all basic standards go out the window.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 18/06/2025 10:56

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 10:44

Hang on, you got other posters above, making snarky comments about nobody listening to them and projecting. That is not respecting different opinions.

That is not respecting different opinions.
Where did I say different opinions were being respected?

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 10:44

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 18/06/2025 10:42

Definition of echo chamber below. This is clearly not one because there is more than one view on things being put forward. Just because some disagree with you does not make it an an echo chamber. Maybe you are normally discussing things in a echo chamber so don't recognise an open discussion forum when you are in one

Echo chamber: an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.

Hang on, you got other posters above, making snarky comments about nobody listening to them and projecting. That is not respecting different opinions.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 18/06/2025 10:42

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 10:31

Do I hear an echo?

Definition of echo chamber below. This is clearly not one because there is more than one view on things being put forward. Just because some disagree with you does not make it an an echo chamber. Maybe you are normally discussing things in a echo chamber so don't recognise an open discussion forum when you are in one

Echo chamber: an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.

dairydebris · 18/06/2025 10:40

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 10:36

It honestly does feel like walking into a wall of rehearsed deflections and moral gymnastics. The refusal to engage with even the most basic facts, and the way any criticism is instantly twisted into something else, says more about their position than mine. You’re right, the accusations often sound like projections.

OK then.

What basic fact have any of us refused to engage with? I promise I'll listen.

If you'd like me to point to basic facts that you've not engaged with I'm happy to provide- Please let me know.

It'll be interesting to hear because I do agree it gets very difficult on here to even agree on basic facts, so moving on from that feels impossible...

Over to you...

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 10:37

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 10:31

Calling it “military strategy” doesn’t erase the scale of civilian death and destruction. You can’t claim it’s self-defence while entire neighbourhoods are reduced to rubble and tens of thousands of civilians are killed. That goes far beyond defending yourself. If another country did the same, people wouldn’t hesitate to call it a war crime. Israel shouldn’t be above that standard.

Except Israel is the country that has many Islamic extremists wanting to destroy it. You don't think those terrorists will turn its attention to the west, once they are done? I know I do, which is one reason I will always back Israel.

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 10:36

MusedeBordeaux · 18/06/2025 10:29

Purple, I applaud you for engaging with these posters. I knew entirely what you meant in your original comments, but trying to express anything other than blind support for Israel is staggeringly pointless.

It reminds me of falling in the trap with my 11 year old. The whataboutery, obfuscation and gaslighting - except it's cute on her.

The accusations on threads like this read to me like confessions.

It has become mildly entertaining.

It honestly does feel like walking into a wall of rehearsed deflections and moral gymnastics. The refusal to engage with even the most basic facts, and the way any criticism is instantly twisted into something else, says more about their position than mine. You’re right, the accusations often sound like projections.

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 10:31

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 10:19

Military strategy. Israel is defending itself.

Calling it “military strategy” doesn’t erase the scale of civilian death and destruction. You can’t claim it’s self-defence while entire neighbourhoods are reduced to rubble and tens of thousands of civilians are killed. That goes far beyond defending yourself. If another country did the same, people wouldn’t hesitate to call it a war crime. Israel shouldn’t be above that standard.

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 10:31

Do I hear an echo?

MusedeBordeaux · 18/06/2025 10:29

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 08:47

It’s funny because to me it seems like the Israel defenders on this forum are the ones twisting words, projecting their own assumptions, and accusing others of distortion when they’re the ones refusing to engage honestly.

Purple, I applaud you for engaging with these posters. I knew entirely what you meant in your original comments, but trying to express anything other than blind support for Israel is staggeringly pointless.

It reminds me of falling in the trap with my 11 year old. The whataboutery, obfuscation and gaslighting - except it's cute on her.

The accusations on threads like this read to me like confessions.

It has become mildly entertaining.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 18/06/2025 10:28

GretaGreen · 18/06/2025 09:57

Honestly the past few days have laid out the hypocracy of all of the pro Israel posters. Suddenly International law means something(if it's Israel being attacked) , attacking first means nothing(if you are Israeli), civillian infrastructure should be off limits(if it's Israeli), it's just fine to openly worship genocidal terrorist supporting maniacs(if they are Israeli), it's fine to be genocidal if you've been treated badly(if you are Israeli), it's OK to have a horrific regime running a country(if it's Israeli), is fine to have undeclared and uninspected nuclear weapons(if you are Israeli), it's OK to talk about and care about civillians in one place without mentioning every other conflict in the world(if those civilians are Israeli) and on and on it goes.

We just don't get that it really isn't double standards though because apparently we are all too busy being useful idiots learning everything from tiktok, supporting terrorists and being antisemitic to truly understand.

💯 constantly shifting goal posts when it suits their narrative

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 10:26

GretaGreen · 18/06/2025 10:20

Oh so Hamas can't be genocidal because they haven't commited genocide. Noted 📝

What part of deliberately targeting Jewish people, in a murderous spree, don't you understand?

GretaGreen · 18/06/2025 10:20

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 10:13

Well as Israel is not committing genocide, most of the above is just hyperbole.

Oh so Hamas can't be genocidal because they haven't commited genocide. Noted 📝

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 10:19

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 10:13

Well as Israel is not committing genocide, most of the above is just hyperbole.

If you don’t believe it’s genocide, that is your view. But many legal experts, human rights organisations, and even UN officials have described what is happening in Gaza using exactly that term. Dismissing everything op said as “hyperbole” does not actually address any of the double standards they pointed out. If you want to disagree, then at least engage with the argument instead of brushing it off.

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 10:19

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 10:13

You don’t have to “support Iran” to recognise that it was Israel who struck first. That’s just acknowledging the facts. As for your comment about “both sides”, it isn’t an equal war. Israel has one of the most powerful militaries in the world and has used it to flatten entire neighbourhoods, kill tens of thousands of civilians, and displace over a million people. That’s not “guilt tripping,” that’s the human cost of what you’re defending

Military strategy. Israel is defending itself.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/06/2025 10:15

I wish safety to every civilian at war, whichever country they are in. Much of the repressed population of Iran hate the regime,

If wishes were horses …….

Unfortunately , much of the world is run by madmen.

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 10:13

GretaGreen · 18/06/2025 09:57

Honestly the past few days have laid out the hypocracy of all of the pro Israel posters. Suddenly International law means something(if it's Israel being attacked) , attacking first means nothing(if you are Israeli), civillian infrastructure should be off limits(if it's Israeli), it's just fine to openly worship genocidal terrorist supporting maniacs(if they are Israeli), it's fine to be genocidal if you've been treated badly(if you are Israeli), it's OK to have a horrific regime running a country(if it's Israeli), is fine to have undeclared and uninspected nuclear weapons(if you are Israeli), it's OK to talk about and care about civillians in one place without mentioning every other conflict in the world(if those civilians are Israeli) and on and on it goes.

We just don't get that it really isn't double standards though because apparently we are all too busy being useful idiots learning everything from tiktok, supporting terrorists and being antisemitic to truly understand.

Well as Israel is not committing genocide, most of the above is just hyperbole.

purpletablet · 18/06/2025 10:13

Dangermoo · 18/06/2025 09:17

Hard to believe how anybody can support Iran, when those terrorists were arrested in the UK. Do you think they wish us well? Israel is doing us a favour. I'm getting a bit tired, also, of reading the same emotional guilt tripping. There have been many casualties on both sides. - it's awful, but it's war.

You don’t have to “support Iran” to recognise that it was Israel who struck first. That’s just acknowledging the facts. As for your comment about “both sides”, it isn’t an equal war. Israel has one of the most powerful militaries in the world and has used it to flatten entire neighbourhoods, kill tens of thousands of civilians, and displace over a million people. That’s not “guilt tripping,” that’s the human cost of what you’re defending