Inhumane Israeli - US backed GHF aid system.

It may have been a spelling mistake.

But spelling Israel in that way is a common thing that people do who hate Israel, which you can see by Googling it if you’re unaware.

No bother. If you wanted to make a point im sure you could have done a better job than one spelling mistake!.

It’s not at all trolling to remember that you said before that you think Hamas care about Gazans. You said it so you presumably believe it so that makes you someone not worth discussing things with in my opinion.

Oh. Thanks Marty I didn’t pick up that post. Yes typo. I’ve been posting for a long time so amazing this one typo was picked up on Thanks Twiglets for trolling me about past posts. Both these things are an attempt to discredit. Water off a ducks back

Whilst we all are well aware threads divert and move on this one is about the current aid system. Without independent journalists it’s almost impossible to know what to believe so posting age old …but but Hamas is meaningless. One speaking of Israel did this is always met by but but Hamas and visa versa. Neither makes what’s happening right. Neither makes the lack of aid going in acceptable. Why can’t we acknowledge there are human beings in a war zone and discuss the aid situation.

Thanks @Twiglets1 . I will.

I never asked anyone to stop mentioning Hamas all I said was stop shoehorning them into times when it's clearly just IDF brutality and not Hamas. Just like some posters will only focus exclusively on the crimes of Hamas and ignore those of Israel and the IDF. (As does every ambassador and representative of Israel when interviewed)

Ps I think @DrPrunesqualer made a typo because it was spelt the correct way for the rest of the post.

Post what you want @Martymcfly24 just don’t expect anyone to take seriously your feelings that we should stop mentioning Hamas because you prefer to focus exclusively on the perceived crimes of only Israel & the IDF.

I note your spelling of “Isreal” and also that in a previous post you said you think Hamas care about the people of Gaza. That you wish to believe the best about a group of terrorists that have bought so much suffering to their own people and Israeli people too is incomprehensible to me. So I won’t be engaging with you anymore.

@Twiglets1 you have accused me of repeating things before like you have accused me of posting too many news articles and also for being one of the "but Hamas " crowd and also for derailing threads.

I'm sure you could ask MNHQ if there are any moderator jobs going but until then I will post whatever I can in the face of the absolute denial of some posters to the evil war crimes that are being committed by Israel and the IDF or the justification of these crimes because of a terrorist organization.

You forget Hamas and Isreal agreed to the last ceasefire. Israel pulled out after stage 1. As a result Natanyahu did Not take back the remaining hostages because it meant the IDF pulling out. It’s a terrible shame the pro Israelis voice wasn’t listened to

I agree with that though I like to think most of the GHF workers would have gone with good intentions (admittedly, no way of knowing that one way or the other).

Where people have been shot close to the aid distribution centres I think I’m right in saying that has been by IDF soldiers not by the GHF aid workers.

You’re often repeating the same stuff @Martymcfly24

If civilians were specifically targeted while trying to collect aid that would be a war crime and I hope the soldiers would get punished.

If civilians were caught up in bombing or shooting near to aid distribution units because Gaza is a war zone, that’s a bit different.

The longer this war goes on, the more civilians die and the pro Israel side have been urging Hamas to admit defeat and end this war for many months now. They could have got better terms months ago than they will get now & thousands of their civilians would still be alive, including all those babies.

It is a good thing if it is coordinated properly.

I was only repeating the same issues because the pp once again deflected from the issues at hand to return the same refrain we have heard when there is any criticism at all of IDF action.

The ultimate issue with the aid distribution however is the 600 shot dead who were trying to get it.

That is unjustifiable.

They haven’t denied killing aid seekers accidentally but they have denied targeting civilians. That’s a big difference because in a war zone most people expect that civilians will unfortunately get killed. What they don’t expect and what I would agree is a war crime would be if soldiers were deliberately targeting civilians.

Lessons learnt.??? If the report came out today why are aid seekers still being killed. Did they forget to teach the IDF of these so called lessons

GHF is very flawed I agree. Lots of things wrong with the way it is being run ( like no distribution sites ever were built in the North). Some of the discussion around them is just repeating stuff though, so if you’re going to repeat the same objections already made, why shouldn’t another person repeat the stuff about why they came into existence (Hamas)

At least it looks like Israel is allowing more aid to come into Gaza in the next few days via various means not just the GHF. That’s something we can all agree is a good thing, surely.

Because there is no justification so…..but but but but Hamas.

Yes but we return to them every single time as a get out clause for anything the IDF does.

Yes an alternative system was needed due to them stealing 15-25% of aid
GHF is not that system.

Did it need to be concentrated to a tiny amount of distribution points ensuring it did not service the population?
Did it need to be in active military zones except for certain hours knowing desperate people would be queuing as aid was limited?
Did they need to shoot 600 people dead and injure many more in the crowds even though not one person seeking aid has shot at the IDF?
Did they need you launch an airstrike on children and their mothers while waiting for supplements?

Lots of shit is on Hamas but some isn't and this time the pp used them as the typical deflection tool.

Wow. Journalists on a side hustle and put themselves in the line of fire. Did they deserve to be murdered too. Anything I post you’ll say is proporganda because I’m afraid you’ve fallen for the murderous lies of Netanyahu and the IDF. Agreeing that journalists shouldn’t be allowed in to Gaza speaks volumes that you don’t want the truth to be known. This attitude is disgusting but certainly allows the pro Israeli propaganda machine to keep on chugging. No point having a discussion with anyone that does not believe in allowing the truth to be seen and told.

Hamas are one half of the equation with regard to the 2 countries at war so of course we often return to them in discussions, just as we also talk about the IDF a lot. What would you think if we said can we just discuss the war without keep turning the discussion back to the IDF? You would think that’s ridiculous.

Hamas are relevant to most discussions around the war in Gaza and definitely relevant to the GHF which only came into existence because of Hamas stealing aid that was being delivered by other methods.

Well we know you think Hamas care about Gazans so your opinion is highly questionable anyway.

200 journalists, most of whom had a bit of a side hustle (or the other way round) from what I’ve seen. Why do you think so many ‘journalists’ appeared in such a small area.

Israel is totally correct to not let in reporters. They are fighting against sub human terrorists who hide among civilians and take hostages, this is not a normal war by any stretch.

We ALL accept that Twitter stuff from the GHF is propaganda?

Who are you referring to?

You don’t believe non AI generated videos and pictures?

Can you direct me to a video clearly showing the IDF intentionally firing on civilians or sniping children in the head as this has allegedly happened so many times and all the pro Palestinians believe this

You don’t believe things supported by pictures and videos but do believe things that aren’t?

Just about sums the sense that pro-Palestinians make.

Ah when all else fails we will turn it back to Hamas.

Can we have a conversation about the absolute ineptitude of the GHF and their atrocious planning or the let's just shoot policy of the IDF when people are queueing without mentioning Hamas?

What do you think about Israel murdering mothers and their children waiting for nutritional supplements?