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"Without doubt" Israel has committed war crimes"

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Whatsinanamehey · 02/06/2025 14:02

I wonder if he feels guilty now for all the times he denied Israel had committed war crimes, when he knew all along he was lying and they had and continue to do so.

I would like to think he does but I highly doubt it.

• It was "without a doubt true that Israel has committed war crimes";
• That Israeli soldiers were not being "held accountable";

https://news.sky.com/story/former-biden-official-matthew-miller-says-he-believes-israel-has-committed-war-crimes-in-gaza-13378081

Former Biden official Matthew Miller Israel has 'without doubt' committed war crimes in Gaza

In a wide-ranging interview for Sky News' Trump 100 podcast, Matthew Miller also said if he was "outside of government" he would have preferred a "better candidate" for the 2024 presidential election than Mr Biden.

https://news.sky.com/story/former-biden-official-matthew-miller-says-he-believes-israel-has-committed-war-crimes-in-gaza-13378081

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SharonEllis · 03/06/2025 20:06

Jux · 03/06/2025 19:06

Sadly I think the US is too deep into Israel’s pockets for anything to actually change..

The rest of the world is just as bad though. Everyone knows but no one who do anything, does anything. I wonder why that might be?

And why do you think it might be? Your post is a bit cryptic.

SharonEllis · 03/06/2025 20:05

Jux · 03/06/2025 19:06

Sadly I think the US is too deep into Israel’s pockets for anything to actually change..

The rest of the world is just as bad though. Everyone knows but no one who do anything, does anything. I wonder why that might be?

What do you mean 'deep in Israel's pockets?

Stirabout · 03/06/2025 19:33

Jux · 03/06/2025 19:06

Sadly I think the US is too deep into Israel’s pockets for anything to actually change..

The rest of the world is just as bad though. Everyone knows but no one who do anything, does anything. I wonder why that might be?

Governments perhaps.
but the Palestinians have the support of the people.

Stirabout · 03/06/2025 19:32

BelleHathor · 03/06/2025 19:01

Thanks! Reflects what I've been hearing out and around from even unexpected spaces and people. It seems Europe and America are finally aligning and there is no "Silent Majority" supporting what is happening.

I saw the tide turning in America a few months ago when I spoke to a "Republican" older male (now formerly due to Gaza) with a deep country accent. I fully expected him to be Pro the "War" but he was vehemently not and nearly in tears due to the pictures of the Children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/03/public-support-for-israel-in-western-europe-lowest-ever-recorded-yougov

Thanks for that Belle
I just can’t seem to post those www. link things. Hence my screen shots

Jux · 03/06/2025 19:06

Sadly I think the US is too deep into Israel’s pockets for anything to actually change..

The rest of the world is just as bad though. Everyone knows but no one who do anything, does anything. I wonder why that might be?

BelleHathor · 03/06/2025 19:01

Stirabout · 03/06/2025 16:59

thankfully in the wider world they are very much in the minority

Thanks! Reflects what I've been hearing out and around from even unexpected spaces and people. It seems Europe and America are finally aligning and there is no "Silent Majority" supporting what is happening.

I saw the tide turning in America a few months ago when I spoke to a "Republican" older male (now formerly due to Gaza) with a deep country accent. I fully expected him to be Pro the "War" but he was vehemently not and nearly in tears due to the pictures of the Children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/03/public-support-for-israel-in-western-europe-lowest-ever-recorded-yougov

Public support for Israel in western Europe at lowest ever recorded by YouGov

Survey says fewer than a fifth of respondents in six countries hold a favourable opinion of the country

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/03/public-support-for-israel-in-western-europe-lowest-ever-recorded-yougov

Stirabout · 03/06/2025 17:07

fixingmylife · 03/06/2025 17:04

....and also aid workers and health workers, some of which are from the UK. They are also speaking out with what they have witnessed.

Good point
I hope it doesn’t backfire on them
They are all incredibly brave

fixingmylife · 03/06/2025 17:04

Stirabout · 03/06/2025 17:03

Is there much the mainstream media can do though.
Israel won’t allow them into Gaza so the only media on the ground are Palestinians who work for the media or / and locals who are able ( and with access to electricity ) to post on phones.
Netanyahu and the IDF and pro Israel news outlets then call it all propaganda

....and also aid workers and health workers, some of which are from the UK. They are also speaking out with what they have witnessed.

Stirabout · 03/06/2025 17:03

fixingmylife · 03/06/2025 16:59

Israel should not be allowed to investigate themselves. Is this normal in other conflicts? For example in the recent murders of Palestinians while they were receiving aid - they denied that it happened, then said that they would be investigating themselves, then blaming Hamas for engineering a situation and stealing food. Never taking any responsibility and the mainstream media are largely letting them get away with it. I'm sick of it. Is there anything other than Trump that can make it stop? It is just unspeakable what is happening and I think of it daily and feel helpless.

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Is there much the mainstream media can do though.
Israel won’t allow them into Gaza so the only media on the ground are Palestinians who work for the media or / and locals who are able ( and with access to electricity ) to post on phones.
Netanyahu and the IDF and pro Israel news outlets then call it all propaganda

Stirabout · 03/06/2025 16:59

ssd · 03/06/2025 16:54

I cant understand posters still defending Israel. After all thats happened they are still defending Israel with the same old excuses.
I don't think they feel anything except sorry for Israel. It astounds me.

thankfully in the wider world they are very much in the minority

"Without doubt" Israel has committed war crimes"
fixingmylife · 03/06/2025 16:59

Israel should not be allowed to investigate themselves. Is this normal in other conflicts? For example in the recent murders of Palestinians while they were receiving aid - they denied that it happened, then said that they would be investigating themselves, then blaming Hamas for engineering a situation and stealing food. Never taking any responsibility and the mainstream media are largely letting them get away with it. I'm sick of it. Is there anything other than Trump that can make it stop? It is just unspeakable what is happening and I think of it daily and feel helpless.

ssd · 03/06/2025 16:54

I cant understand posters still defending Israel. After all thats happened they are still defending Israel with the same old excuses.
I don't think they feel anything except sorry for Israel. It astounds me.

MissyB1 · 03/06/2025 15:40

Wibble128 · 03/06/2025 14:30

Are the hostages all free yet? Are the war crimes committed by Hamas being held to scrutiny? I see taht more weapons caches are still being cleared by Israel. Are Hamas still shooting Palestinians who dare to get food for free from aid agencies as opposed to paying Hamas for what is being shipped FOC over the border and being hoarded by them? Just asking

Whst has any of that got to do with the children having their limbs blown off/ being burned to death in their refugee tents/ being starved / being denied medical supplies to save their lives/ being orphaned? Why do you think they are responsible for holding hostages??? I would genuinely like to know why you think all of the above is justified?

BelleHathor · 03/06/2025 15:19

Stirabout · 03/06/2025 14:43

Belle that’s reminded me of that terrible scene playing out as she was on the phone crying for help and hiding..

disgusting and inhumane

Absolutely, unfortunately it's one of so many inhumane incidents.

At least we know her name there are thousands of children whose names we will never "know" without purposefully searching the lists as the BBC would say "released by the Hamas backed Gaza Health ministry". They can't even give them dignity in death.

May these babies rest in peace ❤️💐.

Stirabout · 03/06/2025 14:43

BelleHathor · 03/06/2025 14:38

But Hamas, But Hamas, But Hamas......

Some people are honestly going to be uttering the same 3 or 4 talking points as if it's a defence against crimes against humanity and the attempt by the Israeli government to destroy a population in whole or in part.

I can see court now "look what they made me do, I had to shoot 300 bullets into that car to kill 6 year old Hind".

Belle that’s reminded me of that terrible scene playing out as she was on the phone crying for help and hiding..

disgusting and inhumane

BelleHathor · 03/06/2025 14:38

But Hamas, But Hamas, But Hamas......

Some people are honestly going to be uttering the same 3 or 4 talking points as if it's a defence against crimes against humanity and the attempt by the Israeli government to destroy a population in whole or in part.

I can see court now "look what they made me do, I had to shoot 300 bullets into that car to kill 6 year old Hind".

Stirabout · 03/06/2025 14:36

Wibble128 · 03/06/2025 14:30

Are the hostages all free yet? Are the war crimes committed by Hamas being held to scrutiny? I see taht more weapons caches are still being cleared by Israel. Are Hamas still shooting Palestinians who dare to get food for free from aid agencies as opposed to paying Hamas for what is being shipped FOC over the border and being hoarded by them? Just asking

You need to read around the subject from more than one ???? questionable source

Think you’ll find if you do the IDF shot at a lot of people trying to get some food. As of the news today this has happened for the third day running with some of the starving being killed and a doctor describing the scenes as ‘carnage’. Apparently the propaganda machine said they shot warning shots into the air. Were starving Palestinians parachuting in to get the aid then…or do they have wings perhaps 🤔

Wibble128 · 03/06/2025 14:30

Are the hostages all free yet? Are the war crimes committed by Hamas being held to scrutiny? I see taht more weapons caches are still being cleared by Israel. Are Hamas still shooting Palestinians who dare to get food for free from aid agencies as opposed to paying Hamas for what is being shipped FOC over the border and being hoarded by them? Just asking

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Stirabout · 03/06/2025 14:23

BelleHathor · 03/06/2025 14:12

No one needs "terrorist propaganda", the images/videos are there in full colour and 4K for the whole world to see.

Most of the mainstream media discriminate in what and how they cover Gaza (Palestinians "die", Israelis are "murdered" etc).

Agree
Palestinians picked up off the street and locked up in Israeli jails are called
prisoners….
that’s not what a prisoner is. It immediately makes them out to be guilty of something

Glad to see on here mumsnetters, with an understanding, call them detainees
( we tried to use the word hostage in the early days but got shouted down and shamed and ultimately all thrown off one thread I remember [ I had a different username then] )

fixingmylife · 03/06/2025 14:21

AnnaBalfour · 03/06/2025 14:17

I’m shocked that Keir and the rest of the world powers have stood by and allowed it out of caution (utter cowardice) terrified of being slandered as “anti-Semitic’ or ‘pro Hamas’.

Netanyahu is using this tactic on Macron as some relentless MN’ers do to silence criticism of the genocide.

It's beyond shocking and I can't actually comprehend it. I am thinking about it and everyday and wish there was more we could do but feel powerless. I am holding onto the fact that one day, there will be a reckoning.

Stirabout · 03/06/2025 14:18

MissyB1 · 03/06/2025 14:15

Well he's done a bit of hand wringing, and said its not very nice to starve people, thats about it 🙄

It’s ‘not very nice to starve people!’…😳

He's gone all out yet again I see. I wish our PM would grow a back bone!

AnnaBalfour · 03/06/2025 14:17

I’m shocked that Keir and the rest of the world powers have stood by and allowed it out of caution (utter cowardice) terrified of being slandered as “anti-Semitic’ or ‘pro Hamas’.

Netanyahu is using this tactic on Macron as some relentless MN’ers do to silence criticism of the genocide.

MissyB1 · 03/06/2025 14:15

Stirabout · 03/06/2025 13:41

Has Starmer admitted it yet.?
or does he still have his head in the sand too scared to speak out against Netanyahu about genocide and war crimes

Well he's done a bit of hand wringing, and said its not very nice to starve people, thats about it 🙄

BelleHathor · 03/06/2025 14:12

No one needs "terrorist propaganda", the images/videos are there in full colour and 4K for the whole world to see.

Most of the mainstream media discriminate in what and how they cover Gaza (Palestinians "die", Israelis are "murdered" etc).

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