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This is a religious war not a land war.

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NotABottie · 30/05/2025 11:51

Why were Palestinians chanting ‘Allahu Akbar’ when committing the atrocities of Oct 7th and celebrating it afterwards, when the dead bodies of victims were paraded in the streets, if this is not a religious war?

Why is this being ignored and pro-Palestinians insist it’s only about land?

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quantumbutterfly · 30/05/2025 12:52

BangersAndGnash · 30/05/2025 12:43

I think it is a land war that has been exacerbated and hijacked by religion.

Yasser Arafat’s regime with the PLO was around Arab identity, Palestinian statehood and there were Islamist rivals.

Lefty young people used to go and work on co-operative kibbutz’ as a gap year.

Global Islamist power, Zionist illegal settlements, big toxic mess.

You can’t single out one strand.

Yasser Arafat called out via radio to the Islamic world to help him when he was cornered in Lebanon by the IDF and Lebanese forces. The Sudanese ambassador facilitated his escape disguised as a woman apparently. ( 50 years war - BBC)

BangersAndGnash · 30/05/2025 12:43

I think it is a land war that has been exacerbated and hijacked by religion.

Yasser Arafat’s regime with the PLO was around Arab identity, Palestinian statehood and there were Islamist rivals.

Lefty young people used to go and work on co-operative kibbutz’ as a gap year.

Global Islamist power, Zionist illegal settlements, big toxic mess.

You can’t single out one strand.

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NotABottie · 30/05/2025 12:39

businessflop25 · 30/05/2025 12:23

Frankly it no longer matters. BOTH sides have committed horrendous acts. And it is always the innocent who pay the price.
Israel are not the innocent party nor are Hamas. Whether it’s religion or land or power or whatever the fuck they want to fight about doesn’t matter anymore. They need to put this to bed once and for all and come up with a lasting peaceful solution. Isreal need to give back ALL of the land they have stolen and let aid in. Hamas need to surrender.
It all just needs to fucking stop!

What land has been stolen and from whom?

The Palestinians have never had a sovereign state, nor did the Arabs in the region, and have said NO to all opportunities to create one.

Hamas leaders have stated they will never stop until all the land is Muslim land.

So who’s going to stop it?

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NotABottie · 30/05/2025 12:36

greencartbluecart · 30/05/2025 12:17

Are you trying to excuse the Israelis hostility, murder and land grab because the Palestinians are Muslim? Can’t decide if this thread should be reported for straight racism or not

How did you conflate that from my OP?

Stating a fact, that Palestinians were chanting and often screaming, Alkahu Akbar, during Oct 7th and in Gaza afterwards, is RACIST?

What a disgusting attempt to shut down conversation!

Maybe you haven’t watched the videos, you should, if you want to give an opinion on it, then you can come back and tell me I’m wrong?

Muslims are not a race btw.

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quantumbutterfly · 30/05/2025 12:31

businessflop25 · 30/05/2025 12:23

Frankly it no longer matters. BOTH sides have committed horrendous acts. And it is always the innocent who pay the price.
Israel are not the innocent party nor are Hamas. Whether it’s religion or land or power or whatever the fuck they want to fight about doesn’t matter anymore. They need to put this to bed once and for all and come up with a lasting peaceful solution. Isreal need to give back ALL of the land they have stolen and let aid in. Hamas need to surrender.
It all just needs to fucking stop!

All of the land ?

Please advise which land and under what circumstance it was stolen?

businessflop25 · 30/05/2025 12:23

Frankly it no longer matters. BOTH sides have committed horrendous acts. And it is always the innocent who pay the price.
Israel are not the innocent party nor are Hamas. Whether it’s religion or land or power or whatever the fuck they want to fight about doesn’t matter anymore. They need to put this to bed once and for all and come up with a lasting peaceful solution. Isreal need to give back ALL of the land they have stolen and let aid in. Hamas need to surrender.
It all just needs to fucking stop!

greencartbluecart · 30/05/2025 12:17

Are you trying to excuse the Israelis hostility, murder and land grab because the Palestinians are Muslim? Can’t decide if this thread should be reported for straight racism or not

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NotABottie · 30/05/2025 12:16

From my understanding the issue with the land is that the Palestinians believe it is Islamic land so must be ruled by Muslims full stop.

As opposed to Jewish people who believe Israel is their ancestral land, yes, but also wanted their own sovereignty to prevent the persecution they had experienced in other countries which they had no control over.

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Notmycircusnotmyotter · 30/05/2025 12:10

Because it doesn't fit the narrative.

Twiglets1 · 30/05/2025 12:07

NotABottie · 30/05/2025 11:51

Why were Palestinians chanting ‘Allahu Akbar’ when committing the atrocities of Oct 7th and celebrating it afterwards, when the dead bodies of victims were paraded in the streets, if this is not a religious war?

Why is this being ignored and pro-Palestinians insist it’s only about land?

It suits their narrative that Israel are greedy & evil.

The conflict and what led up to it seem incredibly complex. But I think it’s fair to say that both factors come into play - religion and the land.