New ceasefire agreement

The group repeated its demands for a permanent truce, a complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and guarantees for the continuous flow of humanitarian aid. None of these are in the deal on the table.

According to BBC.

I don't see these demands as unreasonable but they are in complete conflict with Netanyahu's ultimate stated aim which is to carry out Trump's Plan of ethnic cleansing the region.

So any ceasefire talks are completely pointless really.

Hamas responded to a US ceasefire proposal by saying it is prepared to release 10 living Israeli hostages and 18 dead hostages in exchange for a number of Palestinian prisoners, while requesting some amendments to the plan.
The group repeated its demands for a permanent truce, a complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and guarantees for the continuous flow of humanitarian aid. None of these are in the deal on the table.

What were those unreasonable demands ?

Looks like Hamas have put forward totally unreasonable deman d's and the peace talks have broke down.....Hamas really don't realise they are screwed do they?

@ArtTheClown I think if Israel pulled their security measures in the West Bank they'd have a huge upsurge of terrorism.

Why would you say that? Why can’t Israel have their “security measures” in what is officially Israel?
Why are Israeli settlers taking control of large areas in the West Bank being described as security measures? It’s nothing like it.

The solution is clearly not that either side “surrenders” far, far to much horrendous acts have been committed by both sides but it’s tidally disingenuous for people to keep claiming Israel is offering a true and genuine ceasefire and “end to the war” as some as suggesting when they want to retain control of Gaza. It’s never going to work, it’s not an end to the war.

It’s clearly not tenable to just let Israel take it by force either.

Ideally Hamas would surrender and an international coalition of some sort would govern the area as an interim step, but they don't seem interested in doing so, and Israel will keep fighting Hamas as long as they're there.

Do a lot of people calling for ceasefire just think that Gaza should carry on under Hamas rule? Do they not think this is setting the area up for a constant state of attack and counter-attack?

I wonder how close to peace the area would be if Israel withdrew from Gaza in its entirety, including the West Bank

I think if Israel pulled their security measures in the West Bank they'd have a huge upsurge of terrorism.

It’s clearly not tenable to just let Israel take it by force either.

It’s incredibly easy for people to say everything would end if Hamas “surrendered” but that’s far from true. I wonder how close to peace the area would be if Israel withdrew from Gaza in its entirety, including the West Bank.

In what sense is Israel taking over Gaza and treating Palestinian citizens as second class people a “win”?

It's clearly not tenable to leave Gaza under Hamas control though.

So basically @mids2019 Hamas did not accept the US ceasefire proposal but instead responded with their own ceasefire proposal.

Which Israel obviously will not accept so the war continues with not even a temporary ceasefire.

The Hamas response was ambiguous in that they neither accepted nor rejected it. They replied with their own proposal and their own conditions. They offered to release 10 living hostages and the bodies of 18 more in exchange for an agreed number of Palestinian prisoners.

As stated in this article, Hamas’ response included new demands not present in the version approved by Israel, notably a “comprehensive” withdrawal of Israeli forces and a return to the previous model of humanitarian aid distribution—rather than through IDF-secured centers managed by a U.S.-based contractor.

Israeli officials maintain that such a conditional response does not constitute acceptance under the terms presented.

According to Saudi broadcaster Al Hadath, Palestinian factions in Gaza have reportedly urged Hamas to accept the proposal, viewing it as an opportunity to halt the war and alleviate the humanitarian crisis, despite its shortcomings. One faction reportedly said, "This proposal could stop the hunger and displacement."

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byigacdmxl

So did Hamas agree or not? I am confused by the news?

Times of Israel: Full text of Witkoff’s proposal for 60-day Gaza ceasefire and hostage release deal

The following is the text of US special envoy to the Mideast Steve Witkoff’s proposal for a Gaza ceasefire and hostage release deal between Israel and Hamas, which was reportedly accepted by Israel and passed along to Hamas for its approval on May 29, 2025. The authenticity of the text was confirmed to The Times of Israel by two sources familiar with the negotiations.

Framework for Negotiating an Agreement to a Permanent Ceasefire
1. Duration: 60-day ceasefire. President Trump guarantees Israel’s adherence to the ceasefire during the agreed-upon period.
2. Release of Hostages: 10 Israeli live hostages and 18 deceased hostages, from the “list of 58” to be released on days 1 and 7-half of the living and deceased hostages (5 living and 9 deceased) will be released on day 1 of the agreement. The remaining half of the hostages (5 living and 9 deceased) will be released on day 7.
3. Humanitarian Assistance: Aid will be sent into Gaza immediately once Hamas agrees to the ceasefire agreement. Whatever agreement is reached on aid to the civilian population will be respected throughout the course of the agreement. Aid will be distributed through agreed upon channels that will include the United Nations and Red Crescent.
4. Israeli Military Activities: All Israeli offensive military activities in Gaza will cease upon this agreement entering into force. During the ceasefire period, there will be a cessation of aerial movement (military and surveillance) in the Gaza Strip for 10 hours daily, or 12 hours daily during days when exchange of hostages and prisoners take place.
5. IDF redeployment:
a. On day 1, after the release of the Israeli hostages (5 living and 9 deceased), redeployment in the northern part of the Gaza Strip and in the Netzarim corridor, in accordance with article 3 regarding the humanitarian aid and base on maps to be agreed upon.
b. On day 7, after the release of the Israeli hostages (5 living and 9 deceased), redeployment in the southern part of the Gaza Strip in accordance with article 3 regarding the humanitarian aid and based on maps to be agreed upon.
c. The technical teams will work out final redeployment boundaries during proximity negotiations.
6. Negotiations: On day 1, negotiations under the auspices of the mediators-guarantors on the necessary arrangements for a permanent ceasefire will commence, including:
a. Keys and terms for the exchange of all the remaining Israeli hostages for a number to be agreed upon of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons.
b. Issues relating to redeployments and withdrawals of Israeli forces and long-term security arrangements within the Gaza Strip.
c. Arrangements relating to the “day after” in the Gaza Strip, which would be raised by either side.
d. The announcement of a permanent ceasefire.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-witkoffs-proposal-for-60-day-gaza-ceasefire-and-hostage-release-deal/

The Jerusalem Post: Hamas likely to issue positive response to Witkoff's ceasefire proposal - report

Hamas announced Saturday morning that it plans to deliver a response later in the day to the ceasefire proposal that was issued by US Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff, with sources telling Saudi news sources Al-Arabiya and Al-Hadath that the terrorist organization will respond positively to the envoy's proposal, but with reservations.

The initial announcement was made by a senior official of the terrorist organization to the Hamas-affiliated newspaper Al-Risalah, adding that the response will come after a series of leadership consultations within the terror group.

Hamas will express opposition to the lack of clear guarantees for ending the war, according to Al-Arabiya, while also reporting that the terrorist organization will warn in its response that it will not allow Israel "freedom of action to renew the war," and will demand US guarantees for the implementation of the clauses in any agreement with Israel. The report also said that Hamas will request, as part of the proposal, that Palestinian prisoners should not be handed over in just two days, as stated in Witkoff's proposal, but rather in batches over the 60-day truce.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-856137

That language is very reminiscent of Trump's language when he came into power which obviously then didn't happen.

It is an inflammatory headline but apparently Katz said it according to the article

“The Hamas murderers will now be forced to choose: accept the terms of the ‘Witkoff deal’ for the release of the hostages – or be annihilated,” said Katz.

It could be fighting talk designed to get Hamas to agree to the proposal or it could be a serious threat, who knows.

I have to agree there that’s a very inflammatory headline.
The real question though is

Did the Israeli defence minister say that

Really poor headline for reporting on a peace agreement. Again the Guardian want to portray Israel in as poor a light on a possible and it will not be widely reported that Hamas refused the deal once again plunging their territory into war. Note the headline say Hamas face annihilation yet I guess the Guardian editors misinterpret this as Palestinians.

Blessed are the peace makers except when it's Israel?

That’s a shocking Guardian headliner

So I’m guessing the planned meeting in Ramallah, thats no longer allowed to go ahead, was to discuss the permanent ceasefire.

extract from the Guardian posted by Twiglets

The Guardian:

The ceasefire plan, which has been approved by Israeli officials, won a cool initial reaction Thursday from the militant group, reports the Associated Press (AP). But President Donald Trump said on Friday negotiators were nearing a deal.

“They’re very close to an agreement on Gaza, and we’ll let you know about it during the day or maybe tomorrow,” Trump told reporters in Washington. Late in the evening, asked if he was confident Hamas would approve the deal, he told reporters: “They’re in a big mess. I think they want to get out of it.”

US negotiators have not publicised the terms of the proposal, but a Hamas official and an Egyptian official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive talks, told the AP on Thursday that it called for a 60-day pause in fighting, guarantees of serious negotiations leading to a long-term truce and assurances that Israel will not resume hostilities after the release of hostages, as it did in March.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/31/gaza-israel-hamas-ceasefire-middle-east-crisis-live-news-updates

Thanks for that update Namechanged, I’m not that surprised

I was looking for the permanent ceasefire info originally alluded to on the thread

This article states Hamas will return all hostages in return for a permanent ceasefire and withdrawal of the IDF but there’s nothing here about whether that’s being discussed

Is it ? because I still can’t find anything on that given that it’s been mentioned on the thread and as the proposal/ offer/ suggestion has been ongoing for so long.

Telegraph article: Hamas to reject US Gaza ceasefire plan

Hamas will reject the latest US proposal for a ceasefire in Gaza, a senior official from the Palestinian terror group said.
On Thursday, the US said that Israel had agreed to the plan and that it was waiting for a response from Hamas.

Israeli officials said the deal would see Hamas hand over 10 living hostages and the bodies of 18 dead hostages in two phases across 60 days. Around 1,200 Palestinian prisoners would also be released in return.

A senior Hamas official told the BBC that the proposed deal did not satisfy the group’s demands, which included a permanent end to the war.

Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, told hostages’ families on Thursday evening that he had accepted the deal, which is guaranteed by Donald Trump, Egypt and Qatar.

Israel has agreed to increase aid into Gaza under the terms of the deal. It would be delivered by groups such as the Red Crescent and UN.
It is designed to facilitate further negotiations across 60 days in order to achieve a permanent end to the war. Once that is achieved, the remaining 30 of the 58 Israeli hostages would be released.

Israel would also end all military operations in Gaza as soon as the deal comes into effect.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/30/hamas-will-reject-us-gaza-ceasefire-plan/

You could be right.
Also probably want to show America that they are trying because that's where the money is coming from and Trump wants to be the one that sorts out the Middle East.

Could it have something to do with Germany's recent change to their support.

I'm genuinely confused about the whole ceasefire thing .

Ultimately Israels aim is clear to enact Trump's Plan. There has been no change in this position. They will also never agree to a permanent ceasefire and will never agree to withdrawing from the area.

Now they are suggesting 60 days pause in fighting and the release of some of the hostages but no permanent ceasefire. Then obviously there will be a return to bombing or will it just be the start of the ethnic cleansing after the 60 days.

Why bother with any agreement? Is it only because of the hostages?
What has changed between now and when they broke the last ceasefire because they wouldn't move onto the next stage of the plan or is the plan just temporary pauses until all hostages released.

Am I completely off here. Genuinely.