Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

And I've got yours and the same for everyone that mocks "but Hamas" ...you just want people to shut up mentioning a massacre of 1,200 people who were mainly Jewish.

There are some interesting ones. "Take the aid to Sudan where there is a port and 150,000 dead from famine, her tiny cargo will feed a few".

"Or to Egypt which has a land border and can check thd aid and pass it on"

Apparently a commentator says there is no viable port in gaza, is that true? In which case where was the plan to Dock, if there was one. I've no idea if there is or isn't.

Who is minimising now?

Sorry that a massacre that killed 1,200 Israeli people and took others hostage is boring to you.

It says more about you & all the “but Hamas” repeaters than you realise every time you mock “but Hamas”. It tells us you only have empathy for Palestinians not the mainly Jewish men, women & children who got massacred on October 7th.

No the discussion related to international civilians entering into an active war zone voluntarily with no protection, relating to actors on both sides of the conflict as per my previous post.

Your only concern would be the IDF?

So there’s no Hamas/PIJ terrorists in Gaza then.

You wouldn’t be slightly concerned about them if you went into Gaza, or your DC went, considering what they did on Oct 7th?

They must still be all there because according to Hamas figures not one has been killed in this war.

Unfortunately the below quotes from interviews on Israeli Channel 14 do seem to indicate that these quoted consider Palestinians as less than. These include:
What they need is a second Nabka (Oct 23).
You see civilians? Open fire! (November 23)
When we see the images from Gaza we say who cares. (Oct 23)
Gaza will become the Riveria of the Middle East. (Jan 24)
Did you see the article saying we're burning houses in Gaza? It's true by the way, wonderful, excellent. (Feb 24)
Take crop dusters, fill them with gas and spray them over Gaza. (Feb 24)
No one in Israel should take pity on these Gazans...not on the elderly, children...they should starve to death. What do I care about them? (Feb 24)
We are burning their village and it's good we're burning the village. (March 24)
We're erasing their village. (March 24)
There are journalists with cameras...in my opinion a legitimate target. (April 24)
I don't sleep well unless I see houses collapsing in Gaza (November 2023).

Also on May 29th a group of Israeli women matched through the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem shouting "may your village burn". (Video clips on SM easily found). Previously I posted of crowds chanting through Jerusalem chanting "we will rape your women and kill your children" and attacking Palestinian civilians - and also of the brave Israelis who were protecting those attacked during this. Israelis protesting and acting as humanitarian guards are also very courageous in the recent incursions on villages in the West Bank which have been attacked recently by Israeli settlers; of course such attacks and Israeli settlements are illegal under international law.

And many people around the world owe debts to the citizens of other countries who risked their lives (and indeed lost them) due to helping others of different races, nationalities and religions. These include UN staff (126 killed in Gaza alone, quoted by UN today incidentally) and peacekeepers (shot at twice by Israel recently incidentally), aid workers, journalists, Fr. Kolbe who volunteered himself to die instead of Jewish inmates, the international brigades of the Spanish Civil War, many missionaries and medical staff working in dangerous or highly infectious environments away from home, Sr. Barry an Irish nun who smuggled out Allied soldiers from France during WW2, Indian Noor Khan a British spy killed by the Nazis and all those from non Allied countries (including Ireland, India, Algeria) who helped the Allies in the fight against facism. Because we are all human: these people fought against evil for the greater good.

They have been controlling Gaza borders with an air land and sea blockade plus imports and exports since they "left" Gaza 20 years ago.
This is nothing new.

???
Why would I?
I posted about aid workers being killed... 412 by the IDF up to April in relation to the discussion about the aid and the flotilla being attacked.

No need to shoehorn Hamas into that post.

You seem pretty convinced Israel will bomb the ship!

They won’t allow them to land. But I don’t think they’ll kill her. She’s protection for the ship basically. Too high profile.

Haven't read the whole thread, but agree with the control - under international law I didn't think Israel was allowed to control Gaza's borders? It is not Israel.

Exactly, you never mentioned Hamas!

Absolutely.. but you can see where it is coming from. Every interview I have seen this week with the lawyer Natasha Hausdorff and the Israeli ambassador to Britain has had the same narrative.
When in doubt or accused of anything blame Hamas.

But hamas is getting boring

Sorry I just had to read my post quoted there and cannot understand for the life of me what that post is in response to..

I never mentioned Hamas. As usual the "But Hamas" default comes out once any factual criticism has been made of Israel.

So the terrorist organisations in Gaza are just a figment of Israel’s imagination then? They didn’t really go on a frenzied rampage and kill all those people and take all those hostages? .

Shani Louk’s broken near naked body wasn’t paraded around Gaza for people to hit with sticks, spit on and film?

I guess that must have been reported on out of context?

Of course Hamas, PIJ etc are no risk to anyone who isn’t a Jew (despite murdering and taking non Jews hostage).

The lengths people will go to dismiss/defend demonic terrorist organisations because of an inherent bias towards the country they are fighting against is shocking.

The last bit of thread has been very illuminating to confirm the mindset of pro-Palestinians anyway.

Your trying to minimise her and what shes trying to do says more about you than her.

There’s stuff in the media every day about the war in Gaza. Anyone with an interest in foreign affairs already knows about it. If people don’t know about it that’s because they have no interest and Greta won’t change that.

It’s foolish for them to be trying to enter a war zone. I read Greta has been swimming today and posing for photos for social media … smiling & larking around like she’s on a big adventure.

You do you.

Thank God the world is made up of all different people.

They wouldn't have to sacrifice their lives if the IDF weren't so trigger happy with aid workers but hey ho.

The Choctaw Nation sent 170 dollars to the Irish famine relief in 1847 a huge amount for a poor nation. Thank God they looked beyond their own needs to a country they will never see.

That is relevant how to young people PUTTING THEIR LIVES AT RISK trying to enter a horror scape of a war zone to make a point?

My DC have been brought up to help other people and have had quite a bit of involvement in charity work as have my DH and I.

Sacrificing their lives is an entirely different matter though as it would be for most people!

I can’t actually believe this is serious tbh.

Exactly.. Israel bombed the last flotilla the Conscience..now the whole world is watching because love her or hate her one of the most famous activitists is on board.
Clever move for an idiot.

If nothing else they are focusing the world on the situation in Gaza and for that alone its worth it.

That is exactly it! I remember my mum saying years ago that what she disliked about a place she lived in when I was a baby was that people had lost their sense of community and their connections with the wider world, that most were part of ‘nuclear families’ that only considered their own families needs. She has always been pro human rights and had us all take part in letter writing campaigns and attending human rights conferences as teens - I want to instil these same values in my child. If we all only look after ourselves who is there to help us when bad things happen. This poem following World War 2 really surmises why we should always fight for protect anyone who has been oppressed.

FIRST THEY CAME
By Martin Niemöller

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me.

And thats your perogative to feel like that as a person and as a parent.

Id question my parenting skills if they thought that because they have never been to a place they cannot help them.

The Choctaw Nation sent 170 dollars to the Irish famine relief in 1847 a huge amount for a poor nation. Thank God they looked beyond their own needs to a country they will never see.

Just like you think Palestinians have been indoctrinated into a self destructive ideology I would say they are striving for freedom and independence from a nation that have been indoctrinated into thinking that Palestine does not deserve to be a state.

Horses for courses is right.

I don’t think anyone on here sees Palestinians as ‘less than’. Their leaders do though and you could also say those who stood by, and also those who believe it’s justified for generations of Palestinians to have been indoctrinated into a self destructive ideology leading to where they are today.

I have to say I’ve brought my DC up to value their themselves and their lives and certainly would never subscribe to them sacrificing themselves for others (except their own children), certainly not people in a far away land which they’ve never stopped foot in. I’d seriously question my parenting skills in that situation and certainly wouldn’t feel pride.

Horses for courses I suppose.