Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

Hamas controls what news comes out of Gaza.

Hamas lies

Work the rest out for yourself.

I think this is very unfair. This woman has lost several children and her husband...no doubt other friends and relatives, working in incredibly difficult circumstances and living in difficult conditions.
Her brother lives and works in Ireland where he is a respected medical professional. He has spoken about this awful tragedy on Irish media - possibly even more. He has colleagues who knew about his family back in Gaza before this happened.
Are we supposed to believe that over the years he magicked up this sister and her children? In case he ever needed to then make them die in an Israeli air raid?
What about the British doctor who worked alongside her? They were in on it too?

can you explain please what you mean by "Exactly what it was created for" . What's it? That it is all made up?

The New York Times viewed photographs of one woman’s corpse that emergency responders discovered in the rubble of a besieged kibbutz with dozens of nails driven into her thighs and groin. The Times also viewed a video, provided by the Israeli military, showing two dead Israeli soldiers at a base near Gaza who appeared to have been shot directly in their vaginas. Yinon Rivlin, a member of the rave’s production team who lost two brothers in the attacks, said that after hiding from the killers, he emerged from a ditch and made his way to the parking area, east of the party, along Route 232, looking for survivors.
Near the highway, he said, he found the body of a young woman, on her stomach, no pants or underwear, legs spread apart. He said her vagina area appeared to have been sliced open, “as if someone tore her apart.”

Honestly I thought that article you first linked has been debunked: this was discussed on here already: that these photos were not true and extremely distressing for the victim family.

You can accuse me of whatever you like. I am not Israeli or Jewish, I have no skin in this war or reason to deflect.

I only am going on the research I have done on thie region going back to the Ottoman Empire and Mark Twain’s visit in the mid 1800s, together with the well documented evidence of the Arab then Palestinian cause being to annihilate Israel and then the more recent (over the last 40 years) well documented terrorist attacks and video evidence of the terrorist ideology of the Palestinians, and of course seeing the live streamed atrocities of Oct 7th. Seeing the global outpouring of ant semitism and hate towards a tiny (and only) Jewish State which had experienced the kind of attack, that would have made Western countries go full on attack mode, also made me research the history of the persecution of Jewish people.

That was together with having the logic to conclude that this war was started deliberately, not to Free Palestine and the Palestinians, but to try to destroy Israel with propaganda and emotion fuelled SM clips, because it could never be won with military force as evidenced by the 9 wars waged against Israel since 1948.

Therein lies my rationale to not believe anything without verified evidence (which doesn’t include hearsay and 2nd or 3rd hand reports), and yes, because I have no inherent bias to Israel or the Jewish people,

I take the side of a democratic country which has given a lot to the world, over a terrorist enclave who’s people (civilians too) carried out the kind of atrocities that they did on Oct 7th and celebrated it, including parading coffins with dead babies in labelled as ‘prisoners of war’ in a sick circus with an gigantic artistic backdrop that must have taken ages to do while people were fleeing for their lives during an apparent genocide.

I don’t deny civilians have been killed, there has never been a war where they haven’t, but the safety of civilians should have been thought about before starting one, especially with parents if they were warned to evacuate and were well aware of the bombing!

Maybe if Hamas had let civilians in the tunnels the IDF would have been prevented from blowing all the tunnels up because they don’t target civilians. Hamas missed that didn’t they?

Still no video footage of the IDF targeting children. There were so many reports that there must be some?

@Martymcfly24
Agree
One of the concerns about the GHF aid distribution is not only that they are not experts in doing this - and are not providing the right kind of aid- including sanitary products. There are NGOs with expertise in this - that also include provision of psychological and safeguarding support for vulnerable children and women.

@Stripes56 I saw one of the items on the Freedom Flotilla was women's sanitary items. I can't even imagine what it would be like to be post birth or with a heavy period and no access to sanitary products and living in a crowded tent and limited washing facilities.

I know it sounds minor in the face of starvation but it is just another indignity heaped on women.

The deaths are not only direct from IDF bombing but indirect from malnutrition. Babies will be so vulnerable and susceptible to infection.

Agree

On the theme of motherhood in Gaza:

“With access to basic healthcare now very difficult, most of what the UN estimates are 55,000 pregnant women in Gaza are not able to get regular pre-natal checks.

"The psychological state of the women at the point of childbirth is heartbreaking, may God help them," says Dr Ahmad al-Farra, a head of paediatric and maternity care at Nasser hospital.

"They are fully aware that their unborn babies are not being properly monitored and they themselves did not receive adequate nutrition, so they expect their babies to suffer from low birth weight or other complications. That's the first concern."

"The second is that after giving birth, they are deeply worried about how they will manage to breastfeed or even secure formula, especially with the ongoing lack of food. Both options are equally difficult."

The poor baby Siwar whose picture also shocked the world as she was so malnourished did not have access to the correct formula

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626ljrp21yo.amp

I didn't realize that the doctor had already lost the twin of the youngest baby Sidra at 3 months due to an infection and lack of medication.

The pain of that woman must be unbearable.

They are best ignored.

I agree entirely.

I hope the mother gets some comfort at a point in the future that the world saw, felt and acknowledged her grief.

Very sad story although this leaps out:

Alaa’s cousin told the brothers that with the family’s home being 4 stories, they were using the basement as a bomb shelter and were actually ready to evacuate- they’d moved their stuff closer to ground level for quick evacuation The first bomb didn’t explode so they had come up and then were bombed again.

Wasn't it reported that the father had driven the mother to work and came home to find his home on fire?

Were there any other casualties or did the rest of the civilians in the area evacuate? They were given notice a month and then a week before iirc?

Yes, the interview is on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.
https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22516531/

This mother’s suffering was making me think of the difficulties mothers in Gaza have faced in pregnancy, delivery and then feeding and keeping their children safe.

It’s appalling that on mumsnet there are posters who appear to minimise a mother’s suffering and inappropriately use this thread.

I hope Adam gets the support he needs too.

How do you think the Jewish community felt around the world after Oct 7th, the Israeli community feel about, and are still having to, sending their sons and daughters, husbands and wives into a dirty war, the world wide Jewish community feel about marches in support of Hamas, tearing down of hostage posters, students being intimidated at University, rampant anti-semitism and threats to their lives, including being gunned down and set on fire with Molotov cocktails, btw?

Poor family - the horror and helplessness to see your loved ones suffer from abroad and there is nothing you can do.

My God @Kindatired , that is heartbreaking.

How disgusting.

It’s almost as if they think they’ve done him a favour ‘preserving his life’.

And you agree with them and would blame Israel if they carry out their threat to kill him?

Imagine if someone posted that the Bibas children’s parents were responsible for their kids murder because they decided to live too close to Gaza? We would be appalled.
The children’s uncle Ali explained the context of how it unfolded. Communications are really bad- it was 3 weeks since they had managed to get a phone call in real time, video calls are even worse, voice notes are better. When someone gets an update, it’s relayed all over the world to the various siblings.
There’s another sister in Gaza and one in Vancouver and of course the one in Sligo, Dr Ali and there’s another brother in Saudi. So Ali was over in Saudi on a break visiting the brother and they werein the in-laws place.He was sitting next to his brother and the brother was trawling the internet to see what was going on, where had been hit, could he get any news. . At this stage people are saying goodbye for ever when ever they part, so many people are being killed, his sister says it’s like doomsday everyday.
They were really worried, they knew about the strikes and they had tried every way they could and hadn’t been able to contact Alaa and her husband, Hamdi . They were trawling the internet, clip or posts The brother was looking at a clip that the civil defence rescuers had posted. They were really worried but they couldn’t figure out the location as it was just a massive pile of rubble. Then Ali hears a voice he know well- it’s the brother of his brother-in-law Hamdi, Ali Yahya, screaming “Get back, get back”. Then he hears the choked voice in the background of his sister who knows that it’s one of the kids crying “ my darling, my love” in Arabic. They know the family’s house has been hit and that these must be the bodies of their little nieces and nephews that they were just chatting to a few weeks ago. Hamid and little Adam are transported to the hospital separately and Adam is the first to arrive,
Horrified, Ali and the family watch an another video clip- Adam is covered in ash, his hand almost falling off. At first Ali isn’t completely sure it’s Adam because he’s covered in ash, but he recognises the features. He’s still hoping against hope that it’s not Adam but his heart sinks as he sees a relative of theirs is accompanying the child and he now he knows for certain that it’s his nephew, 11 year old Adam. Hamdi is also brought to hospital soon after but rushed to theatre, with multiple injuries.
Alaa’s cousin told the brothers that with the family’s home being 4 stories, they were using the basement as a bomb shelter and were actually ready to evacuate- they’d moved their stuff closer to ground level for quick evacuation The first bomb didn’t explode so they had come up and then were bombed again.
Alaa has lost her phone and is using a cousins phone . She has a sister as well in Gaza but it’s hard to move about.
She has asked for nothing except prayers and the return of her children’s bodies.

How so?

Did I miss something?

Just been out for dinner.

The armed wing of Hamas, Izz al-Din Al-Qassam Brigades, has issued a stark warning regarding the safety of Israeli prisoner Matan Zangauker, who is being held in a location besieged by Israeli forces.
In a statement released on Saturday, Abu Obaida, the spokesperson for the Brigades, said Israeli forces are currently surrounding the location where Zangauker is being held in Gaza.
He said that any attempt to retrieve the prisoner alive would fail, placing the blame squarely on the Israeli military.
Abu Obaida asserted that Hamas had preserved Zangauker’s life for more than a year and eight months. “The enemy will not be able to recover him alive,” he said.
The warning comes amid heightened tensions in the region, as Israeli forces are reportedly conducting operations in Gaza. The Al-Qassam Brigades concluded their message with the phrase, “He who warns is excused,” suggesting that they have fulfilled their moral obligation by issuing this alert.

From Islamic Republic News Agency.

How on earth have we got to the stage where we are now having individual stand offs?
Surely anyone with any sense and or humanity would just stop going in and start talking.

Honestly the worse the crime the more whataboutery and deflection.

Good posts here. @AIBUHere has been well and truly rumbled.