Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

So what justification do the IDF and Israeli government give for murdering them?

Of course killing children is an evil act, if it is done intentionally. That is an absolute no-brainer. You are right, however, that October 7 has killed the two state solution. At least for this generation and next. The only way of peace now will be a regional deal with the Sunni states.

It doesn't. How did Hamas tieing two girls together in ropes and then setting them alight help the Palestinian resistance?

I think that if the IRA had done what Hamas had done - and Britain felt that they were an existential threat - the British army would have responded in similar ways.

Wow, I guess that if there were any terrorists around, having nine children near by automatically metaphorises them into fine law abiding citizens.

I was taught by the genocide professor quoted.

He was an exceptional teacher, and a hugely knowledgeable and compassionate man.

Gazans, bit like Afrikaners come to think of it, are either outnumbered, outsmarted or outmatched by neighbours they "struggle with" The best move is to get these groups away from their enemy neighbours..because if not this kind of thing will happen. We have been doing this since we were hunter gatherers. I saw a doc once two tribes at war, low-level stuff. Handmade weapons. Then one got guns. Went into the next village and wiped them out. This is a tale as old as time. I am sorry but I don't ever think there is going to be a two-state solution.

Most Westerners don't get is politics in the Middle East is clannish. Ancient grudges, in-group preference. Lineage stuff. Things we've mostly forgotten... or thought we left behind. It's very Old Testament.

Israel's survival basically depends on either killing its neighbours, because if it stops, it will be killed, or on liberal countries bankrolling it and even dragging them into wars. Is any of this sustainable? No.

All of this is too tragic for words and I imagine this war has probably put liberalism to bed and reintroduced old ways of being. An eye for an eye.

Anyone who doesn't think the killing of children on either side is evil I cannot understand, except actually I can, because I'm half Arab Jew, converted to Christianity as a teen, and live in the West, and this pretty much sums up my stance

As you have written @AgingLikeGazpacho”….The level of Israel’s response to the October attack has been utterly disproportionate and unjustifiable…….”

What if, when the IRA ran a bombing campaign in England during the 70s and 80s, if the British retaliated as Israel have done and bombed parts of Belfast, Derry and South Armagh because they believed IRA leaders were living there ?

Unconscionable.

I just can’t fathom man’s inhumanity to his fellow man.

How does the murder of nine children as they slept in their beds, protect Israel's existence?

None because nine children were killed.

@Yassnass145 , I don’t think people are being killed for land. I believe Isreal is fighting for its existence. They cooked babies in ovens. Jesus!

I know that 9 children were murdered. They were no threat to anyone. The IDF murdered them to make Israel safer. I know, it was stupid of me to even assume a terrorist died in this attack.😳🤦‍♀️

Why?
How does the death of 9 Palestinian children in Gaza make Israel safer?

Who knows? Best kill these 9 kids now so we never find out. They look a bit dodgy to me. And all the other kids too. Why not just kill them all so we don't have to go to the trouble or expense of figuring out who the real threats are. Good idea. Kill them all, problem solved. It's not genocide of course because its obviously self defence, defence against a potential intangible future threat.

No idea. Do you know?

How many terrorists were killed in this strike that murdered 9 children?

???

What a strange thing to say. If 1/3 are children then there are 2/3 of deaths not children some of which are most definitely Hamas.

Doesn't take anything away from the horror of the dead children.

It has echoes of the genocide in Cambodia, where the Khmer Rouge murdered the children, however young, of the people they condemned. Just in case.

Why does Israel even need a bigger country? Just live in peace ffs. I just can’t understand how things get to this point. It’s just madness. So, so utterly pointless.

That poor woman. Those poor kids.

It will end when Israel has killed every Palestinian child along with all the adults.

It's genocide.

I know that it’s so helpless making.
I woke up this morning and saw more horrors.

Please - I know it feels helpless, but do something. An action. Many have no parents to love them and speak up for them.

Email your MP, donate to medical aid for Palestine, sign petitions, get out and demonstrate, divert your spending.
Just do more than nothing.

It is a Genocide!

Israel has said they will consider everyone in the north of Gaza as Hamas. They continue to say this to push people to evacuate and then kill those who don't evacuate calling them Hamas.

It's a war move that has been used in other forms of genocide. Labelling everyone as a "terrorist".

The very fact that one can say plainly they’re killing kids just in case they become a security risk is ethical terror. Where does that that begin and end for society?

Do we start start killing kids whose parents are murderers? Criminals? just in case they pose a risk?

Israel need to release Palestinian political prisoners who have a hope of usurping Hamas.

This.

All of this.

I have no words. Only tears.

I normally avoid these discussions but this is just..... heartbreaking

Agree.

No, people dying doesn't equate to genocide. History and context show that this is genocide.